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02 Mar 2017, 4:33 pm

It's not a "Muslim ban" though.


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02 Mar 2017, 7:10 pm

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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


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02 Mar 2017, 7:34 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


You and I both know the world is round. Some imbeciles get caught into believing everything is a conspiracy and they have no filter and believe everything from fakes like David Icke and Alex Jones. Then you have the other extreme that believe everything their TV tells them. I take everything as I see it. Conspiracies happen very often.


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02 Mar 2017, 10:52 pm

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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


You and I both know the world is round. Some imbeciles get caught into believing everything is a conspiracy and they have no filter and believe everything from fakes like David Icke and Alex Jones. Then you have the other extreme that believe everything their TV tells them. I take everything as I see it. Conspiracies happen very often.


I have no doubt about conspiracies happening all the time. Their problem is, most of them don't work, and the conspirators are found out.


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03 Mar 2017, 4:17 pm

Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


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03 Mar 2017, 11:56 pm

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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


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05 Mar 2017, 8:30 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


Just one of those theories that are put out there by people like Alex Jones to intentionally spread disinformation. If the US wanted to invade Cuba, then they just would have. They were bombing factories and such anyway. The Kennedy's were going after the mob and John was going after Israel for stealing nuclear secrets from the US and looking like he was going to side with Nasser in the Middle East.


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05 Mar 2017, 11:29 am

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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


Just one of those theories that are put out there by people like Alex Jones to intentionally spread disinformation. If the US wanted to invade Cuba, then they just would have. They were bombing factories and such anyway. The Kennedy's were going after the mob and John was going after Israel for stealing nuclear secrets from the US and looking like he was going to side with Nasser in the Middle East.


Not Alex Jones, but New Orleans District Attorney, Jim Garrison, who had sacrificed his very promising career and marriage over prosecuting CIA connected businessman, Clay Shaw.
Those same mob figures who Bobby Kennedy was trying to put in prison were also working hand in glove with the CIA's Anti-Castro assassination plots, and shared their low level rank-and-file with the Anti-Castro underground, as the mob had lost a lot of money in casinos and drug trade when Cuba went communist.
People who Oswald had had contact with in New Orleans, such as David Ferrie, and Guy Banister, were associated with the Cuban exile far right and the CIA, as well as the local mob boss, Carlos Marcello, rather than with Israel.


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05 Mar 2017, 2:39 pm

Yes.
Theories about Oswald being involved come from people like Jones. The Israeli nukes issue is separate.


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05 Mar 2017, 5:34 pm

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Theories about Oswald being involved come from people like Jones. The Israeli nukes issue is separate.


The people I'm talking about were originally named by Jim Garrison in his New Orleans investigation and failed prosecution back in the 1960's. If Jones talks about it at all, it's because of the research done by far more honorable and sane investigators like Garrison. It was in the 1970's that the House Select Committee On Assassinations believed Carlos Marcello and the New Orleans Mafia had been involved, again predating Jones.


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08 Mar 2017, 4:07 pm

I spoke to someone who knows a lot about the subject and he said Garrison was "all over the place".


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08 Mar 2017, 4:32 pm

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I spoke to someone who knows a lot about the subject and he said Garrison was "all over the place".


Garrison was finding leads to different places and people, involving the CIA sponsored Anti-Castro underground of New Orleans and Dallas, big oil, right wing extremists, and organized crime (an avenue he admittedly discounted too quickly), not realizing at the time that there were connections between all of them. That, and once his secret investigation became front page news literally all over the globe, his legitimate leads dried up, and he started getting fed disinformation from agencies such as the CIA, which had wanted to cover their own a$$es due to their former assets having been involved, which former CIA case officer, Victor Marchetti, had confirmed.


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10 Mar 2017, 4:20 pm

What did Garrison say about Kennedy trying to stop Israel and their nukes, then Ben Gurion resigning and then Kennedy going after Levi Eshkol over Israel's nukes? If he was serious, he'd have mentioned this.


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What did Garrison say about Kennedy trying to stop Israel and their nukes, then Ben Gurion resigning and then Kennedy going after Levi Eshkol over Israel's nukes? If he was serious, he'd have mentioned this.


Why would that alone make his investigation serious? He had plenty of suspects and evidence connecting Anti-Castro/Anticommunist fanatics in New Orleans, Dallas, and elsewhere to Oswald and the assassination. Just because Ben Gurion and Kennedy had had some rough patches together hardly means he killed the President.


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10 Mar 2017, 6:45 pm

I never said he did. It's not mad to assume that Kennedy was killed for numerous issues.


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I never said he did. It's not mad to assume that Kennedy was killed for numerous issues.


Oh, I'm sure there was. Clay Shaw, the New Orleans businessman who Garrison unsuccessfully prosecuted had been tied to European fascistic business leaders, who in turn had been connected to the right wing element in the French army that had tried assassinating DeGaulle. Guy Bannister, the New Orleans private detective, and former FBI higher up, whose specialty had been to infiltrate leftist organizations with agents (which he seems to have done with Oswald with the Fair Play For Cuba Committee) had been a rabid segregationist, while a KKK leader appears to have had pre-knowledge of the Dallas event, perhaps implying that opposition to civil rights had been part of it. That last being sort of funny, as Kennedy's successor, Johnson, proved to be the prime mover in civil rights legislation. So there probably were people involved who had had their own axe to grind, besides the Anti-Castro movement. I just haven't seen any evidence for Israeli involvement, as no one on the ground had connections to them.


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