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17 Jun 2011, 4:41 pm

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I'm more astounded by the apparent Charles Xavier like ability of people on here to tell what someone else is thinking.

You don't need to read minds to tell somebody is ignorant. Maybe you would to discern accurately that their ignorance was willful. But there are cases where you would hope that, for a person's own sake, they were willful in their ignorance.


Fair enough, but I was referring to people purporting to know what the cartoonist was thinking. I said the cartoon was racially insensitive but not racist on it's face without knowing the cartoonists intentions. Maybe my standard for proof of someone's racism is higher than yours, but that doesn't make me ignorant. The likelihood of the cartoonist's motives being racist while trying to keep some semblance of plausible deniability is high in my opinion if that counts for anything.



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17 Jun 2011, 4:44 pm

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Yeah, and the guy who brought the chimp doll to the McCain rally just loved dolls. Innocent!


No that guy was clearly racist.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:05 pm

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I'm more astounded by the apparent Charles Xavier like ability of people on here to tell what someone else is thinking.

You don't need to read minds to tell somebody is ignorant. Maybe you would to discern accurately that their ignorance was willful. But there are cases where you would hope that, for a person's own sake, they were willful in their ignorance.


Actually, I would say certain members here simply spam the race card and claim anyone whom disagrees with Obama on the right is somehow racist. In my opinion, that means I really shouldn't take what you say seriously, rather as just another mudslinging attempt.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:12 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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I'm more astounded by the apparent Charles Xavier like ability of people on here to tell what someone else is thinking.

You don't need to read minds to tell somebody is ignorant. Maybe you would to discern accurately that their ignorance was willful. But there are cases where you would hope that, for a person's own sake, they were willful in their ignorance.


Actually, I would say certain members here simply spam the race card and claim anyone whom disagrees with Obama on the right is somehow racist. In my opinion, that means I really shouldn't take what you say seriously, rather as just another mudslinging attempt.


hey, we'll stop calling you a racist when you stop being such a racist.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:14 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
dionysian wrote:
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I'm more astounded by the apparent Charles Xavier like ability of people on here to tell what someone else is thinking.

You don't need to read minds to tell somebody is ignorant. Maybe you would to discern accurately that their ignorance was willful. But there are cases where you would hope that, for a person's own sake, they were willful in their ignorance.


Actually, I would say certain members here simply spam the race card and claim anyone whom disagrees with Obama on the right is somehow racist. In my opinion, that means I really shouldn't take what you say seriously, rather as just another mudslinging attempt.


If the definition of "somehow racist" is "anyone who disagrees with Obama on the right" (and, again, that is who, not whom) then spamming the race card is perfectly legitimate.

Anyway, you don't disagree with President Obama, do you? Certainly not from the "right" anyway.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:30 pm

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I'm more astounded by the apparent Charles Xavier like ability of people on here to tell what someone else is thinking.

You don't need to read minds to tell somebody is ignorant. Maybe you would to discern accurately that their ignorance was willful. But there are cases where you would hope that, for a person's own sake, they were willful in their ignorance.


Actually, I would say certain members here simply spam the race card and claim anyone whom disagrees with Obama on the right is somehow racist. In my opinion, that means I really shouldn't take what you say seriously, rather as just another mudslinging attempt.


hey, we'll stop calling you a racist when you stop being such a racist.


You're calling someone whom is part Native American and doesn't give a s**t what color someone's skin is a racist. Its kinda funny I imagine a lot of you were bullied in school and the first chance you get, you turn into first rate bully wannabies. I could call you and a few others here a lot worse, and they would deserve it (you included).

I've been compared to Adolf Hitler, an anti-semite, a racist, anti-woman, to name a few, all cause I have a problem with George Soros (whom I think he is reality an atheist), compared certain members' antics to the Three Stooges, I think Obama is a socialist, and I happen to be unappologetically pro-life.

You want to claim you and others here are the tolerant ones, quite frankly you are full of s**t!

Seems while I have resolved never to become a bully taking pleasure from trying to hurt others, some people here have enjoyed becoming the very people that once made their lives a living hell.

I doubt John_Browning is a racist, I know I'm not one cause I really could care less what color someone's skin is, but I do know a lot of people here calling John_Browning and myself racists are behaving like bigots. Thanks for further playing into the stereotype that liberals that preach tolerance are usually the most bigotted people around.

Oh and if you take offense to this, I could care less cause quite frankly you started this, I had reported this to a moderator whom isn't doing anything about this so I tried the rational routes rather than actually offering the scathing retort that you're getting now. So again if you take offense to being called a bigot, hey if the shoe fits wear it, and don't dish it out if you can't take it.



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17 Jun 2011, 6:54 pm

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You're calling someone whom is part Native American and doesn't give a sh** what color someone's skin is a racist. Its kinda funny I imagine a lot of you were bullied in school and the first chance you get, you turn into first rate bully wannabies. I could call you and a few others here a lot worse, and they would deserve it (you included).

You're so sweet.

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I've been compared to Adolf Hitler, an anti-semite, a racist, anti-woman, to name a few, all cause I have a problem with George Soros (whom I think he is reality an atheist),

We still haven't pinpointed your problem with George Soros. Does you problem center around your projection of atheism onto Mr. Soros? Or, is it something else?

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compared certain members' antics to the Three Stooges,

...nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

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I think Obama is a socialist,

I thought you considered him a "Liberal?"

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and I happen to be unappologetically pro-life.

plus your spelling and grammar are atrocious.

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You want to claim you and others here are the tolerant ones, quite frankly you are full of sh**!

Thanks for the great compliment.

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Seems while I have resolved never to become a bully taking pleasure from trying to hurt others, some people here have enjoyed becoming the very people that once made their lives a living hell.

We're just arguing politics, philosophy and religion is all.

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I doubt John_Browning is a racist, I know I'm not one cause I really could care less what color someone's skin is,

If you could care less, that is an indication that your level of caring could be diminished.

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but I do know a lot of people here calling John_Browning and myself racists are behaving like bigots.

Aren't you expecting to be called a racist?

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Thanks for further playing into the stereotype that liberals that preach tolerance are usually the most bigotted people around.

Bigotted against whom?

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Oh and if you take offense to this, I could care less cause quite frankly you started this,

Again, stating that you "could care less" indicates that your caring could be diminished. Hence, you do care.

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I had reported this to a moderator whom isn't doing anything about this

"Who", not "whom."

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so I tried the rational routes

You did?

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rather than actually offering the scathing retort that you're getting now. So again if you take offense to being called a bigot, hey if the shoe fits wear it, and don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Oh, it isn't so bad, really.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:05 pm

it is racist or not racist according to whoever says it is or it isn't last.

Is the monkey/gorilla off limits for how long... till baby boomers die? Till millennials are in retirement homes? Till the net generation have kids? I've only read about it in history books, so it isn't fresh in my mind as it is for those of you who grew up with racism and racial tension on behalf of whites towards blacks, but at some point, we have to acknowledge that these associations are not longer relevant and that one could accuse the other of being a monkey without assuming racism on their part. Perhaps now according to those left of center is still premature. Another 5 years then?

Inuyasha and John Brownning are not racists unless the term is meaningless.


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17 Jun 2011, 7:07 pm

pandabear wrote:
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You're calling someone whom is part Native American and doesn't give a sh** what color someone's skin is a racist. Its kinda funny I imagine a lot of you were bullied in school and the first chance you get, you turn into first rate bully wannabies. I could call you and a few others here a lot worse, and they would deserve it (you included).

You're so sweet.

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I've been compared to Adolf Hitler, an anti-semite, a racist, anti-woman, to name a few, all cause I have a problem with George Soros (whom I think he is reality an atheist),

We still haven't pinpointed your problem with George Soros. Does you problem center around your projection of atheism onto Mr. Soros? Or, is it something else?

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compared certain members' antics to the Three Stooges,

...nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.

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I think Obama is a socialist,

I thought you considered him a "Liberal?"

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and I happen to be unappologetically pro-life.

plus your spelling and grammar are atrocious.

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You want to claim you and others here are the tolerant ones, quite frankly you are full of sh**!

Thanks for the great compliment.

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Seems while I have resolved never to become a bully taking pleasure from trying to hurt others, some people here have enjoyed becoming the very people that once made their lives a living hell.

We're just arguing politics, philosophy and religion is all.

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I doubt John_Browning is a racist, I know I'm not one cause I really could care less what color someone's skin is,

If you could care less, that is an indication that your level of caring could be diminished.

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but I do know a lot of people here calling John_Browning and myself racists are behaving like bigots.

Aren't you expecting to be called a racist?

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Thanks for further playing into the stereotype that liberals that preach tolerance are usually the most bigotted people around.

Bigotted against whom?

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Oh and if you take offense to this, I could care less cause quite frankly you started this,

Again, stating that you "could care less" indicates that your caring could be diminished. Hence, you do care.

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I had reported this to a moderator whom isn't doing anything about this

"Who", not "whom."

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so I tried the rational routes

You did?

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rather than actually offering the scathing retort that you're getting now. So again if you take offense to being called a bigot, hey if the shoe fits wear it, and don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Oh, it isn't so bad, really.


:roll:

Really, considering you are the one that compared me to Hitler, you have no business lecturing to me anything, I have a right to be angry at you.

Reason why I think Soros is an atheist is because he once admitted in an interview that he sometimes thinks of himself as God, something I highly doubt a practicing Jewish person would do (nor would they be proud of that either).

Reason why I think Soros is a scumbag is because he made his money causing collapses of currencies.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:15 pm

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most people who back the birther issue don't do it because of racism. Those who opposed his health care bill were called racist. The same is true of the stimulus, his financial reforms, etc. It is the quickest way to walk around the issue, but pulling the race card where it doesn't apply does not sit well with libertarians, conservative democrats, republicans, and independents. Find another way to make the case, or perhaps it is such a silly charge that it doesn't need a reply.

Problem with this argument is that Birther stuff is probably the most stupid political argument ever made in the US. It makes the ones making the argument look like idiots in denial. The evidence in support for this crazyness is completely null, and Obie even had to show his birth certificate.

There are only two kinds of explanations for people actively living in denial and thinking that Obama is not a US citizen: a) Stupidity and b) Racism.

Crying "race card" makes sense about the health care bill, but it does not help about this. The birther behavior is so irrational and senseless that the only way to explain that it can work with Obama and not with Nixon is that Obama is black. Nobody has ever seen this amount of skepticism about the citizenship of a US president before, and get real, it only started because the racist right wanted to keep calling him a Kenyan. If that is not racism then I do not know what it is. Complaining about being called racist for this is like a "Chicago politician" complaining about people calling him corrupt.

Barak Hussein Obama is the only US president that has shown his birth certificate to people. Why are there more deniers of his citizenship than there are deniers of Reagan's citizenship. Seriously, let's stop pretending that race is not the hidden catalyst for this non-sense.


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17 Jun 2011, 7:16 pm

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Really, considering you are the one that compared me to Hitler, you have no business lecturing to me anything, I have a right to be angry at you.

Of course you do, Sweetie. But, I wasn't lecturing to you.

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Reason why I think Soros is an atheist is because he once admitted in an interview that he sometimes thinks of himself as God, something I highly doubt a practicing Jewish person would do (nor would they be proud of that either).

If Mr. Soros sometimes thinks of himself as God, then he is no atheist. Jesus also thought of himself as God, did he not? Was he an atheist? If you think of yourself as God, and you believe that you exist, then you believe that God exists, and you are not an atheist. Lots of Jewish people have stopped practising Judaism, but still consider themselves Jews, and take a certain amount of pride in identifying themselves as Jews.

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Reason why I think Soros is a scumbag is because he made his money causing collapses of currencies.

Well, I think that the real reason that you think George Soros is a scumbag is because Glenn Beck told you that he's a scumbag.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:18 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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most people who back the birther issue don't do it because of racism. Those who opposed his health care bill were called racist. The same is true of the stimulus, his financial reforms, etc. It is the quickest way to walk around the issue, but pulling the race card where it doesn't apply does not sit well with libertarians, conservative democrats, republicans, and independents. Find another way to make the case, or perhaps it is such a silly charge that it doesn't need a reply.

Problem with this argument is that Birther stuff is probably the most stupid political argument ever made in the US. It makes the ones making the argument look like idiots in denial. The evidence in support for this crazyness is completely null, and Obie even had to show his birth certificate.

There are only two kinds of explanations for people actively living in denial and thinking that Obama is not a US citizen: a) Stupidity and b) Racism.

Crying "race card" makes sense about the health care bill, but it does not help about this. The birther behavior is so irrational and senseless that the only way to explain that it can work with Obama and not with Nixon is that Obama is black. Nobody has ever seen this amount of skepticism about the citizenship of a US president before, and get real, it only started because the racist right wanted to keep calling him a Kenyan. If that is not racism then I do not know what it is. Complaining about being called racist for this is like a "Chicago politician" complaining about people calling him corrupt.


I haven't called him a Kenyan, I'm just quite frankly wondering what is he trying to hide because he didn't come out and release it in the first place, I had to have my birth certificate to get my Driver's License for goodness sakes.

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:roll:

Really, considering you are the one that compared me to Hitler, you have no business lecturing to me anything, I have a right to be angry at you.

Of course you do, Sweetie. But, I wasn't lecturing to you.


So are you just acting like an arrogant twat cause you simply feel like it?

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Reason why I think Soros is an atheist is because he once admitted in an interview that he sometimes thinks of himself as God, something I highly doubt a practicing Jewish person would do (nor would they be proud of that either).

If Mr. Soros sometimes thinks of himself as God, then he is no atheist. Jesus also thought of himself as God, did he not? Was he an atheist? If you think of yourself as God, and you believe that you exist, then you believe that God exists, and you are not an atheist. Lots of Jewish people have stopped practising Judaism, but still consider themselves Jews, and take a certain amount of pride in identifying themselves as Jews.


Why are you comparing Jesus to Soros? Jesus helped heal the sick, the blind, etc. Soros collaborated with the Nazis.

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Reason why I think Soros is a scumbag is because he made his money causing collapses of currencies.

Well, I think that the real reason that you think George Soros is a scumbag is because Glenn Beck told you that he's a scumbag.


No, the reason I think he is a scumbag is because of the evidence presented by Glenn Beck and I checked for myself and found that Glenn Beck was telling the truth. I don't take what people say for granted, I do my own research.



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17 Jun 2011, 7:42 pm

And what sources have you researched, may I ask? When it comes to sources, there are legitimate sources, and there are bogus sources.
I'll give you an example: I once was following a running argument in some group I wasn't even a member of, between a Jewish person who had taken exception to an Antisemite who claimed Jews controlled the world. When challenged to reveal his sources, the bigot had sited - of all sources - Stormfront. To which the Jewish gentleman told him he wasn't going to accept something so ridiculously racist as a legitimate source.
And no, I'm not accusing you of relying on Stormfront, or of even being a racist; but my point is, not every source is equal, or of legitimate worth.

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17 Jun 2011, 8:01 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
So are you just acting like an arrogant twat cause you simply feel like it?

Aw, you're so sweet, Sweetie.

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Reason why I think Soros is an atheist is because he once admitted in an interview that he sometimes thinks of himself as God, something I highly doubt a practicing Jewish person would do (nor would they be proud of that either).
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If Mr. Soros sometimes thinks of himself as God, then he is no atheist. Jesus also thought of himself as God, did he not? Was he an atheist? If you think of yourself as God, and you believe that you exist, then you believe that God exists, and you are not an atheist. Lots of Jewish people have stopped practising Judaism, but still consider themselves Jews, and take a certain amount of pride in identifying themselves as Jews.


Why are you comparing Jesus to Soros? Jesus helped heal the sick, the blind, etc. Soros collaborated with the Nazis.

The point is, Mr. Soros ain't no atheist. Your accusation that, as a child, Mr. Soros collaborated with the Nazis, is way out of line.


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Reason why I think Soros is a scumbag is because he made his money causing collapses of currencies.

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Well, I think that the real reason that you think George Soros is a scumbag is because Glenn Beck told you that he's a scumbag.


No, the reason I think he is a scumbag is because of the evidence presented by Glenn Beck and I checked for myself and found that Glenn Beck was telling the truth. I don't take what people say for granted, I do my own research.


Sure. You can confirm everything that Glenn Beck says with Lyndon LaRouche. It all checks out beautifully. :roll:



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19 Jun 2011, 1:38 pm

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3757131.html#3757131

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I remember that post. There is this thing called real life though, so sometimes I don't have time to sit and argue for it's own sake, and some posts have to sometimes be left abandoned and unchallenged in order to take care of things that make a difference in my life.

Like this here racism. Now that's important!


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19 Jun 2011, 2:18 pm

As much as I find the race card annoying, JB is a racist by his own admission so there is nothing being pulled out of anyone's sleeves here.