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01 Oct 2011, 10:39 pm

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Palestine just wants to be its own country just give it them their own country whats the worse that would happen :?:

People get rewarded for bad behavior all the time their called crooked politicians :lol:


Not with the pre-1967 borders. Face it, those borders can't be defended and is suicidal.

I actually don't think a two state solution is going to work unless some neighboring countries cough up some real-estate.



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01 Oct 2011, 10:42 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Palestine just wants to be its own country just give it them their own country whats the worse that would happen :?:

People get rewarded for bad behavior all the time their called crooked politicians :lol:


Not with the pre-1967 borders. Face it, those borders can't be defended and is suicidal.

I actually don't think a two state solution is going to work unless some neighboring countries cough up some real-estate.


That could work I would support that actually not a bad Idea but the problem would be that Israel would be in charge calling all the shots making Palestinians very angry.

Plus it wasn't Palestine that attacked us on 9/11



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01 Oct 2011, 10:42 pm

so pretty much like most things you say no real thought behind it?


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01 Oct 2011, 10:47 pm

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so pretty much like most things you say no real thought behind it?


Are you referring to me or to Inyuasha?



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01 Oct 2011, 10:49 pm

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so pretty much like most things you say no real thought behind it?


Are you referring to me or to Inyuasha?


Ina he has a hard time being honest.


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01 Oct 2011, 10:51 pm

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so pretty much like most things you say no real thought behind it?


Are you referring to me or to Inyuasha?


Ina he has a hard time being honest.


Oh I thought you meant me for some reason most of been a aspie mistake :lol:

Israel will not allow Palestine to be their own state which will just cause more fighting between them.



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01 Oct 2011, 10:56 pm

Joker wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Palestine just wants to be its own country just give it them their own country whats the worse that would happen :?:

People get rewarded for bad behavior all the time their called crooked politicians :lol:


Not with the pre-1967 borders. Face it, those borders can't be defended and is suicidal.

I actually don't think a two state solution is going to work unless some neighboring countries cough up some real-estate.


That could work I would support that actually not a bad Idea but the problem would be that Israel would be in charge calling all the shots making Palestinians very angry.

Plus it wasn't Palestine that attacked us on 9/11


Jordan is a sovereign country that doesn't answer to Israel, as is Syria, as is Egypt. Heck if Egypt wanted to they could give a huge portion of the Sinai Peninsula still keep control of their canal, and the Palestinians would have more land than all of Israel, even if Israel took Gaza and the West Bank too.

Israel just doesn't want to be put in a situation where their borders are indefensible and it would be real easy to split Israel in two.



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01 Oct 2011, 10:56 pm

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the best thing for the palestinians, the region, and helping to evolve the stone-age arab is not statehood but israeli citizenship.


perhaps but a democratic state with the Palestinian birth rate would result in a Jewish minority state.
this is what will eventually happen anyway if there is not a 2 state solution.
For me I believe everyone deserves to live in a secular democracy so no skin off my (ample) nose.


I don't know... Israel has the highest birth rate of any industrial nation that side of the atlantic. And most arab states(to name a few: Turkey, Iran,) now have below-replacement birth rates. What is the palestinian birth rate anyways?


Not to sound anally retentive, but while Turkey and Iran are Muslim countries, they are not ethnic or linguistic Arabic.

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01 Oct 2011, 11:00 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
the best thing for the palestinians, the region, and helping to evolve the stone-age arab is not statehood but israeli citizenship.


perhaps but a democratic state with the Palestinian birth rate would result in a Jewish minority state.
this is what will eventually happen anyway if there is not a 2 state solution.
For me I believe everyone deserves to live in a secular democracy so no skin off my (ample) nose.


I don't know... Israel has the highest birth rate of any industrial nation that side of the atlantic. And most arab states(to name a few: Turkey, Iran,) now have below-replacement birth rates. What is the palestinian birth rate anyways?


Not to sound anally retentive, but while Turkey and Iran are Muslim countries, they are not ethnic or linguistic Arabic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I still do not see the danger in allowing them to be their own state its not like they would have the balls to mess with Israel who has more allies then any other country we would still make Palestine play ball so to speak.



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01 Oct 2011, 11:10 pm

Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
the best thing for the palestinians, the region, and helping to evolve the stone-age arab is not statehood but israeli citizenship.


perhaps but a democratic state with the Palestinian birth rate would result in a Jewish minority state.
this is what will eventually happen anyway if there is not a 2 state solution.
For me I believe everyone deserves to live in a secular democracy so no skin off my (ample) nose.


I don't know... Israel has the highest birth rate of any industrial nation that side of the atlantic. And most arab states(to name a few: Turkey, Iran,) now have below-replacement birth rates. What is the palestinian birth rate anyways?


Not to sound anally retentive, but while Turkey and Iran are Muslim countries, they are not ethnic or linguistic Arabic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I still do not see the danger in allowing them to be their own state its not like they would have the balls to mess with Israel who has more allies then any other country we would still make Palestine play ball so to speak.


Sarcasm: Yeah 12 miles from border to sea, is really defensible.



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01 Oct 2011, 11:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
the best thing for the palestinians, the region, and helping to evolve the stone-age arab is not statehood but israeli citizenship.


perhaps but a democratic state with the Palestinian birth rate would result in a Jewish minority state.
this is what will eventually happen anyway if there is not a 2 state solution.
For me I believe everyone deserves to live in a secular democracy so no skin off my (ample) nose.


I don't know... Israel has the highest birth rate of any industrial nation that side of the atlantic. And most arab states(to name a few: Turkey, Iran,) now have below-replacement birth rates. What is the palestinian birth rate anyways?


Not to sound anally retentive, but while Turkey and Iran are Muslim countries, they are not ethnic or linguistic Arabic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I still do not see the danger in allowing them to be their own state its not like they would have the balls to mess with Israel who has more allies then any other country we would still make Palestine play ball so to speak.


Sarcasm: Yeah 12 miles from border to sea, is really defensible.


It can still be defended Israel is proof that no madder how strong a country is they always take them down



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01 Oct 2011, 11:29 pm

Joker wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
the best thing for the palestinians, the region, and helping to evolve the stone-age arab is not statehood but israeli citizenship.


perhaps but a democratic state with the Palestinian birth rate would result in a Jewish minority state.
this is what will eventually happen anyway if there is not a 2 state solution.
For me I believe everyone deserves to live in a secular democracy so no skin off my (ample) nose.


I don't know... Israel has the highest birth rate of any industrial nation that side of the atlantic. And most arab states(to name a few: Turkey, Iran,) now have below-replacement birth rates. What is the palestinian birth rate anyways?


Not to sound anally retentive, but while Turkey and Iran are Muslim countries, they are not ethnic or linguistic Arabic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I still do not see the danger in allowing them to be their own state its not like they would have the balls to mess with Israel who has more allies then any other country we would still make Palestine play ball so to speak.


Sarcasm: Yeah 12 miles from border to sea, is really defensible.


It can still be defended Israel is proof that no madder how strong a country is they always take them down


The only reason Israel was able to defend it was because they didn't wait for the enemy to get to the border before they launched a surprise offensive so the entire fight took place in the other countries' territories.



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01 Oct 2011, 11:36 pm

Israel can fight at the boarders or any other place their always fighting what does it madder they will always come out the winner 8)



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01 Oct 2011, 11:51 pm

Israel has weapons of mass destruction.. Their enemies can be assured that these weapons will be used if Israel feels itself to be threatened with total destruction. That is far more potent than the border additions, which, though important, are not as crucial as they were in those past wars with their neighbors. They were conflicts of 1950s-1970s technological development. Most of Israel's neighbors have advanced militarily in the time since, but Israel has a serious edge with the qualitative value of their arsenal. Acknowledging a Palestinian state would be a good thing and would not put Israel into a hopeless strategic position. I don't even feel I need to mention the implications of US involvement if Israel's neighbors launched an invasion. The small size of Israel means their military has a lot less to defend and has given them time to have prepared positions, it is certainly defensible with the modern IDF, especially if they were fully engaged. They have been investing in more of their domestic design "Iron Dome" air defenses which are effective at shooting down rockets. I seriously doubt any invading army could get into Israel even if they gave up territory to an independent Palestine


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01 Oct 2011, 11:54 pm

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Israel has weapons of mass destruction.. Their enemies can be assured that these weapons will be used if Israel feels itself to be threatened with total destruction. That is far more potent than the border additions, which, though important, are not as crucial as they were in those past wars with their neighbors. They were conflicts of 1950s-1970s technological development. Most of Israel's neighbors have advanced militarily in the time since, but Israel has a serious edge with the qualitative value of their arsenal. Acknowledging a Palestinian state would be a good thing and would not put Israel into a hopeless strategic position. I don't even feel I need to mention the implications of US involvement if Israel's neighbors launched an invasion. The small size of Israel means their military has a lot less to defend and has given them time to have prepared positions, it is certainly defensible with the modern IDF, especially if they were fully engaged. They have been investing in more of their domestic design "Iron Dome" air defenses which are effective at shooting down rockets. I seriously doubt any invading army could get into Israel even if they gave up territory to an independent Palestine


This is very true.



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02 Oct 2011, 12:03 am

Vigilans wrote:
Israel has weapons of mass destruction.. Their enemies can be assured that these weapons will be used if Israel feels itself to be threatened with total destruction. That is far more potent than the border additions, which, though important, are not as crucial as they were in those past wars with their neighbors. They were conflicts of 1950s-1970s technological development. Most of Israel's neighbors have advanced militarily in the time since, but Israel has a serious edge with the qualitative value of their arsenal. Acknowledging a Palestinian state would be a good thing and would not put Israel into a hopeless strategic position. I don't even feel I need to mention the implications of US involvement if Israel's neighbors launched an invasion. The small size of Israel means their military has a lot less to defend and has given them time to have prepared positions, it is certainly defensible with the modern IDF, especially if they were fully engaged. They have been investing in more of their domestic design "Iron Dome" air defenses which are effective at shooting down rockets. I seriously doubt any invading army could get into Israel even if they gave up territory to an independent Palestine


so Israel is fine even if Palestine is fine too?


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