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01 Sep 2010, 2:03 pm

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I would be pissed if I was automatically drafted just because I'm unemployed. So would my husband. Who would take care of our children while he was at work?


"It takes a village to raise a child" - Billary Clinton.


The village does a poor job when the mother is not there to guide and direct.


Parents should be the ones raising their own children, not the community. Since you seem to not have noticed, my comment about compulsory drafting of the unemployed was intended to be farcical, rather than serious.


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01 Sep 2010, 2:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Maybe not the wisest thing to do with a forum full of Aspies. :D

Aspie parents? I suppose it isn't.


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I don't think any rightwinger who gave the idea two seconds of though would consider it good. With a mass, civillian military force there'd be a lot more anti-war energy coming from the rich parents of children overseas. Plus, a full scale civillian military force would be a lot less enthusiastic than a volunteer force.

Well, with arguments and attacks against liberal ideas such as the proponents or the ideas being socialists, communists and marxists, then that military idea doesn't seem much worse than those. (I'm not saying iamnotaparaket, but some rightwingers that do that)

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He's even sort of shot himself in the foot as his attempt at sarcasm

Pretty much.


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01 Sep 2010, 2:34 pm

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Maybe not the wisest thing to do with a forum full of Aspies. :D

Aspie parents? I suppose it isn't.


What's that supposed to mean?


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01 Sep 2010, 2:44 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Maybe not the wisest thing to do with a forum full of Aspies. :D

Aspie parents? I suppose it isn't.


What's that supposed to mean?

well, I believe Kraichgauer meant the intended sarcasm from iamnotaparakeet rather than parenting, which I noticed a bit later, and the issue of wether aspie parents should be left alone raising their kids on their own without the help of the community or the community "keeping their nose out of it", although I doubt iamnotaparakeet had that in mind.


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01 Sep 2010, 2:48 pm

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and the issue of wether aspie parents should be left alone raising their kids on their own without the help of the community or the community "keeping their nose out of it", although I don't think iamnotaparakeet meant that.


I didn't see this anywhere in this thread.


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01 Sep 2010, 2:51 pm

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I didn't see this anywhere in this thread.

Neither did I, it is my bad in any case though as I derived this from Kraichgauer's post, even though he was referring to sarcasm, and that was the issue, and I implied that iamnotapakeet wasn't refering to that specifically. Should that be relevant? I don't know, perhaps some think it does, I in particular, would like to ask what would be the case towards aspie parents on that issue.


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01 Sep 2010, 5:08 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I would be pissed if I was automatically drafted just because I'm unemployed. So would my husband. Who would take care of our children while he was at work?


"It takes a village to raise a child" - Billary Clinton.


The village does a poor job when the mother is not there to guide and direct.


Parents should be the ones raising their own children, not the community. Since you seem to not have noticed, my comment about compulsory drafting of the unemployed was intended to be farcical, rather than serious.


Maybe not the wisest thing to do with a forum full of Aspies. :D

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I suppose not. Oy vey gevault this literalism is annoying.



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01 Sep 2010, 5:50 pm

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I have to say, most people I see advocating for a mandatory draft are from the left. While conservatives generally want stronger forces, they do not want soldiers fighting along-side people that do not want to be there. Forced soldiers typically do not make good comrades in battle.

I have never seen anyone on the left advocate for a draft. I have heard the occasional mention of it from the right, although I think you're correct that most conservatives would not support a draft.


I never said there were many advocating for a draft. Just that the majority I've seen do it are from the left.

Hm... well, Dox did post a Democrat who proposed reintroducing conscription. I think Dox and I both suspect he was just tryingt o make some stupid political point, but I'll concede that as a leftist supporting the draft. I really don't agree that it is a more common position on the left than it is on the right. The left is normally more anti-war, the right pro-war. The left wants to cut defense spending, the right wants to increase it. The right also makes a much bigger fuss about idolizing the military. And I personally know several right-wingers who support the draft.

I mean... I've seen the possibility of the draft raised as a political specter more often than I've seen anyone seriously propose it, and in that context liberals probably do talk about it a lot more. Perhaps somewhat similar to the way the right brings up Marxism.


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01 Sep 2010, 5:56 pm

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Perhaps somewhat similar to the way the right brings up Marxism.


I like Marxism, but not to the extent that it has existed in Europe. Some good ideas in Marx's manifesto, but it needs a lot of modification I think. Perhaps I'm more open to Marxism since I hate Wal-Mart, and to an extent the mistreatment of workers on capitalistic grounds. However, capitalism actually works. Marxism hasn't yet. (Unless China is to be considered an example of it(?) )



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01 Sep 2010, 6:04 pm

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I like Marxism, but not to the extent that it has existed in Europe. Some good ideas in Marx's manifesto, but it needs a lot of modification I think. Perhaps I'm more open to Marxism since I hate Wal-Mart, and to an extent the mistreatment of workers on capitalistic grounds. However, capitalism actually works. Marxism hasn't yet. (Unless China is to be considered an example of it(?) )

China's not even close to Marxist. And Marxism is ridiculous in several different ways.

If you're opposed to Wal-Mart's labor practices, or more generally to mistreatment of workers under laissez-faire capitalism, social democracy is probably the best route to addressing that problem. Still capitalist, still market-driven, but with certain protections for people on the lower rungs.


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01 Sep 2010, 6:32 pm

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Hm... well, Dox did post a Democrat who proposed reintroducing conscription. I think Dox and I both suspect he was just tryingt o make some stupid political point, but I'll concede that as a leftist supporting the draft. I really don't agree that it is a more common position on the left than it is on the right. The left is normally more anti-war, the right pro-war. The left wants to cut defense spending, the right wants to increase it. The right also makes a much bigger fuss about idolizing the military. And I personally know several right-wingers who support the draft.

I mean... I've seen the possibility of the draft raised as a political specter more often than I've seen anyone seriously propose it, and in that context liberals probably do talk about it a lot more. Perhaps somewhat similar to the way the right brings up Marxism.


Perhaps. Most of the lefties I've seen promote the idea of the draft said it was our duty as a citizen. Much like Jury duty. Maybe I just know some weird liberals. lol


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01 Sep 2010, 7:15 pm

Well you know, Hitler was a Liberal. I'd say the same feeling of malaise applies to Liberals as it does Conservatives. Especially after the Ubermensch Liberal today took over Discovery Channel headquarters and ended up with lead in his head. All in the pursuit of Liberalism.

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01 Sep 2010, 7:23 pm

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Well you know, Hitler was a Liberal. I'd say the same feeling of malaise applies to Liberals as it does Conservatives. Especially after the Ubermensch Liberal today took over Discovery Channel headquarters and ended up with lead in his head. All in the pursuit of Liberalism.

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Well of course the same feelings apply to Liberals! But the Conservatives are wrong because they're conservative and the Liberals are right, and righteous, because they are liberal. Didn't you know this man?! Shape up, or off to Hadamar Clinic with ya!! !



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01 Sep 2010, 7:30 pm

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China's not even close to Marxist. And Marxism is ridiculous in several different ways.

And I thought Obama was marxist :P

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If you're opposed to Wal-Mart's labor practices, or more generally to mistreatment of workers under laissez-faire capitalism, social democracy is probably the best route to addressing that problem. Still capitalist, still market-driven, but with certain protections for people on the lower rungs.

If marxism leads to the abolition of enterprises such as Wal-Mart, then I can see the appealing :P

Anyway, yeah, I believe social democracy may be more of a sensible focus actually, however, I wonder about democratic socialism.


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01 Sep 2010, 7:36 pm

I think when Mars is finally able to be colonized en masse, that there ought to be several colonies set up, each attempting a different economic system.



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01 Sep 2010, 7:55 pm

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I think when Mars is finally able to be colonized en masse, that there ought to be several colonies set up, each attempting a different economic system.

You are watching too much Star Trek :P


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