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28 Sep 2010, 11:14 pm

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dove are you being intentionally dense or is my sense of humor more off than it should be?

No, I am not being intentionally dense. Are you being intentionally rude?


I'm not being rude.



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28 Sep 2010, 11:15 pm

ikorack wrote:
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dove are you being intentionally dense or is my sense of humor more off than it should be?

No, I am not being intentionally dense. Are you being intentionally rude?


I'm not being rude.

Then why call me dense?


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28 Sep 2010, 11:18 pm

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All of the 'we are all the human race' drivel is just the same indoctrinated line fabricated by a group of social engineers, and internalized by a large percentage of the population as a process. It is no more correct or less of a falliable doctrine than the eugenic ideas that ciruclated in fascist circles in the early part of the 20th century. Even if I adhered to this ethos, I'd not go bandying it about, as the sociologists who dispense this theory permit no actual review into the fundamental principles of their absolute moratorium on eugenics.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist, which it isn't surprising, given that many racists believe in a jewish or any other conspiracy, given that you imply that there is some conspiracy against poor whites and that "we are all the human race" is a conspiracy.

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Caucasians should be able to live in peace without having to be constantly harassed and subjected to violence from disproportionally more aggressive minority cultures.

Did you just say culture?

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Also, why should whites be genetically diluted with other races who are physically less pleasing to look at?

Oh, the yuck factor, nice argument, I suppose that is justification enough for you to politically do something. Very likely, some people would not find you pleasing to look at either, and many of them white.

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Why are we importing large populations from violent and warlike cultures featuring 'clan feuds' and that sort of thing,

Culture again?

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to live side by side with Caucasians who are on the average more elderly and more on the 'Eloi' side?

Only in your head, I doubt non-causacian people are on the 'morlocks' side, in the real world.

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Wow, your racism is disgusting. Whether you like it or not, black people are just as human as white people, and thus, they deserve just as much of your love and respect as white people do. Seriously, quit it with the hatred already and learn to love everyone equally, since we're all inherently equal in the sense that we're all human beings.

Some people are better than others. The effect of race on this is likely a lot lower than many racists try to say, but it is difficult to say that all people are equal with great justification.

"In the sense that we are human beings". regarding intelligence and cognition doesn't seem to be connected to race, in order to justify a classification of humans as subhumans, seems a justification to say that we are equally the same species.

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Then why should we take anything you say seriously?

Honestly I believe most racists are not to be taken seriously anyway, given that their thinking seems to go along the lines of conspiracy theorists.


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28 Sep 2010, 11:21 pm

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People have different tastes. Hanotaux likes white girls, good for him. Other guys might like Asian girls, nothing wrong with that either. I live in Miami, and there certainly are some beautiful Latinas down here...


All women are beautiful, regardless of "race".

No, there are really some very ugly women out there. Do you like women who weigh 600 pounds?


I'd rather one which weighs 600 pounds than one which weighs 60 pounds.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that neither are ugly.


Well as long as you wish to go to absurd extremes, how about 6000 pounds? 60,000 pounds? 600,000 pounds? 6,000,000 pounds? Etc. You can always bring up extremities whereby poor health intercedes with the ability to find beauty. However, even in such cases there may be people who would yet see the beauty in them personally rather than merely seek a standard set by the pornography industry.


I consider my wife to be quite beautiful, yet others, by numerical value of weigh alone, would not. She is lovely regardless though.

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28 Sep 2010, 11:26 pm

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However, even in such cases there may be people who would yet see the beauty in them personally rather than merely seek a standard set by the pornography industry.

No, they wouldn't. The pornography industry dictates all. (unless you have a weird attraction to something odd, like goats)



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28 Sep 2010, 11:42 pm

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rather than merely seek a standard set by the pornography industry.

Actually, the Hollywood industry or mainstream entertainment. American porn 'standard' doesn't seem as high.

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No, they wouldn't. The pornography industry dictates all. (unless you have a weird attraction to something odd, like goats)

Goats are important in the porn industry.


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28 Sep 2010, 11:47 pm

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rather than merely seek a standard set by the pornography industry.

Actually, the Hollywood industry or mainstream entertainment. American porn 'standard' doesn't seem as high.


A rose by any other name...



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29 Sep 2010, 12:55 am

Okay I finally have time to debate. I have a lot of cat catching up to do...

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In America, borders are very important. We spent a whole lot of time, effort, and especially blood building what we have today. If some countries have so little to be proud of that they don't care to define themselves anymore, that is their problem. Here we have created infrastructure, industry, technology, and military might that none of the greatest emperors of the ancient world and kings could ever have dreamed about. America started with nothing and became a benevolent superpower that helped prevent world domination on a couple occasions. We annually give away to the poorest people among us about 35 years worth of income for an African (plus healthcare), and every year we give away an amount of foreign aid that is bigger than the gross national product of some countries. I'd say borders are pretty important here.

So basically, you care more about patriotism than you do about equality for all? How sad, that you'd rather believe in an arrogant, immature concept like "my country is better than yours" than actually try to see other human beings as being equal to you.

"No softening of manners, no advance in wealth, and no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimeter nearer." -George Orwell

Your notion of equality is a pipe dream that is a form of self-delusion perpetuated by people with no experience dealing with the real world. The planet is overpopulated and there is no way to make resources go around. The haves will use the resources at their disposal to defend what they have, and the have nots will continue to get the shaft. Nationalism is an extension of this; America cannot fix the poverty in the rest of the world so the only thing that can be done is to look after Americans.

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"They do it too" is valid in this case because I was discussing a basic need all countries must have met to sustain their existence. Borders serve to regulate the flow of immigration so that they aren't flooded and overwhelmed with people they can't accommodate, they help keep out undesirables, and in some countries like America, they serve critical national security functions. Normally "Mexicans are doing it" is a really damn good justification not to do something, but in the case of enforcing illegal immigration laws, Mexico is handling that in a textbook efficient way that would do us good to mimic.

So basically, you're just assuming, yet again, that you're right and I'm wrong, even though you have yet to provide any actual evidence of such. I mean, illegal immigration has been going on for years and years and it hasn't destroyed this country. So what makes you think it's a problem at all?

Asking for figures is a bit hypocritical since you haven't shown any figures either and we haven't discussed figures yet, but if you insist...

There are 23,000,000 alien invaders in the US (that would make a big difference in unemployment and social service costs).
In the last decade they have wired $317,000,000,000 to Latin America.
In the last decade they cost $397,000,000,000 in healthcare costs.
There are 5,000,000 alien invader spawn in public schools (not counting anchor babies).
There have been 5,000,000 anchor babies born in the US in the last decade.
Their cost to the public school system has been $178,000,000,000
There are 432,000 alien invaders incarcerated.
There are 753,000 alien invader fugitives.
Their cost of incarceration for the last 2 years alone is $28,000,000,000. That works out to ~$140,000,000 for the last decade.
Alien invaders take up 11,000,000 skilled jobs.

The total cost of illegal immigration for the last decade is ~$1,032,000,000,000,000. All figures are rounded down. That amount of money would have paid for the war on terror or paid off Obamacare. I didn't even factor in the cost of the jobs lost to alien invaders or the costs to citizens and valid visa holders from the cost of treating the diseases alien invaders carry or the injuries from them getting behind the wheel (often while drunk).


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29 Sep 2010, 12:59 am

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ummmm well... illegal immigrants would technically not be entitled to welfare, so the point about mexicans jumping the border and stealing all of the welfare dollars does not make sense. it can't be both ways...
if you have a problem with the legal immigrants who are on welfare, perhaps you should lobby your goverment or something about changing immigration criteria, but they are not the group we are talking about here...

i am pretty sure that any illegal immigrant who tried to access social assistance would be deported.

California propositions 187 and 209 were approved by voters to ban public services to alien invaders, but they were struck down in the state supreme court. Alien invaders regularly collect welfare, social security, foodstamps, and medicaid.


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29 Sep 2010, 1:03 am

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I believe in what is written on the Statue of Liberty which is John_Browning´s avatar:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

We did that as long as possible and got a huge workforce and some real intellectual gems from the deal. Now there isn't room for them- both physically or in the economy. We took all we can and there is very little room for more intellectuals (we have a surplus of cheap, and in some cases expendable) labor and it would be detrimental to the nation to take on more.


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29 Sep 2010, 1:10 am

John_Browning wrote:
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I believe in what is written on the Statue of Liberty which is John_Browning´s avatar:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

We did that as long as possible and got a huge workforce and some real intellectual gems from the deal. Now there isn't room for them- both physically or in the economy. We took all we can and there is very little room for more intellectuals (we have a surplus of cheap, and in some cases expendable) labor and it would be detrimental to the nation to take on more.


Also, Europe isn't a bad now as it was back then. Perhaps they'd like to take upon themselves some of the illegal immigrants who keep trying to illegally immigrate to the U.S. Or perhaps take hyperlexian up on her offer, let them immigrate to her home in Canada.



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29 Sep 2010, 1:25 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Wedge wrote:
I believe in what is written on the Statue of Liberty which is John_Browning´s avatar:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

We did that as long as possible and got a huge workforce and some real intellectual gems from the deal. Now there isn't room for them- both physically or in the economy. We took all we can and there is very little room for more intellectuals (we have a surplus of cheap, and in some cases expendable) labor and it would be detrimental to the nation to take on more.


Also, Europe isn't a bad now as it was back then. Perhaps they'd like to take upon themselves some of the illegal immigrants who keep trying to illegally immigrate to the U.S. Or perhaps take hyperlexian up on her offer, let them immigrate to her home in Canada.

I'm sure hyperlexian wil learn to love the bad/drunk rivers, mariachi music all hours of the night, dangerous dogs running loose in the neighborhood, kids that are watched about as closely as their dogs, and neighbors having alcohol fueled domestic disturbances that regularly require the cops to come play Mexican marriage counselor. :P


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29 Sep 2010, 1:48 am

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okay, come on over to canada! we like when people immigrate and bring their skills with them. our country is a richer place because of generations of immigrants.

HELL NO! When they eat up all your jobs and social services like locusts, they will start jumping our northern border and then we will have to fight them off on 2 fronts.


lol!! !! ! immigrants are no lazier than residents! and yes, some of us do sneak on down to your country, it's true. the total migration Canada-US is higher than US-Canada. but you have a population about 10 times higher, so the per capita migration is actually skewed to having more of you folks head on up to canuckville.


in 2001 (based on 2000 u.s. pop. 281,421,906 and can. pop 30,689,000)
Canadians who migrated to US: 30,203 / 0.01% of u.s. population
Americans who migrated to Canada: 8,750 / 0.03% of canadian population


but we don't mind... bring the kids and we'll have a picnic!


Oh they'll bring the kids all right.

I have liberal views, but it's not so easy to accommodate a population that for the most part doesn't assimilate, essentially doesn't respect the laws of the country they've snuck into, and doesn't value education. If they came here, paid taxes, honored our laws, stayed in school at least until high school, and didn't generally adopt a backward poverty mentality, I don't think there would be so much of a problem but that's hardly the case. A lot of them get free health care, don't pay taxes, walk around with this thug mentality, are pregnant by the time they're fifteen, then end up in jail and leave the kids with the grand parents. I understand it's hard to migrate here legally (it can take 10 years) and I know it's impossible to make a living on 64 cents a day, but if your butt just has to be in my country, at least behave yourself. It's not too much to ask.



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29 Sep 2010, 2:19 am

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Asking for figures is a bit hypocritical since you haven't shown any figures either and we haven't discussed figures yet, but if you insist...

There are 23,000,000 alien invaders in the US (that would make a big difference in unemployment and social service costs).
In the last decade they have wired $317,000,000,000 to Latin America.
In the last decade they cost $397,000,000,000 in healthcare costs.
There are 5,000,000 alien invader spawn in public schools (not counting anchor babies).
There have been 5,000,000 anchor babies born in the US in the last decade.
Their cost to the public school system has been $178,000,000,000
There are 432,000 alien invaders incarcerated.
There are 753,000 alien invader fugitives.
Their cost of incarceration for the last 2 years alone is $28,000,000,000. That works out to ~$140,000,000 for the last decade.
Alien invaders take up 11,000,000 skilled jobs.

The total cost of illegal immigration for the last decade is ~$1,032,000,000,000,000. All figures are rounded down. That amount of money would have paid for the war on terror or paid off Obamacare. I didn't even factor in the cost of the jobs lost to alien invaders or the costs to citizens and valid visa holders from the cost of treating the diseases alien invaders carry or the injuries from them getting behind the wheel (often while drunk




Also, I'd just like to add to this that I'd hate to think what we spend in total for English-2nd-Language programs, recruitment of bilingual teachers, and the general cost associated with feeling obligated to educate all of those that "don't habla."

In my schools, every time we had a student come in speaking some obscure language like Malayalam, the school had to go and hire some interpreter just so this one student could habla, on the taxpayer dime of course. There is a bigger cost than many may realize for all of these ESLers, to say nothing of their massive burden on the rest of society.

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Alien invaders regularly collect welfare, social security, foodstamps, and medicaid.


I'd have a ton of nickels if I had a nickel for every time I saw a Senegalese or a Haitian, or something else pay for cigarettes and beer at a gas station with their EBT card. Its like they just get one gratuitiously for showing up........... no one really knows why? They are generally underhanded enough to play the system and suck out every benefit they can from it. Why not, it is so easy for them?

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"we are all the human race" is a conspiracy.


Well it really kind of is, as people in 3rd world nations and their supporters use this as a vehicle to justify why they should be allowed to migrate.

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This is PPR. Point-counterpoint is what we do here.


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No, like Ian Williams and Chola Chisunka. (Click on their names to go to their websites. And yes, both of them are published authors.)


Do black people study anything anymore besides black studies? Its like their whole agenda nowadays is just majoring in 'being black,.' Its kind of pathetic actually.

I'd like to see Caucasian studies, Occidental studies, and stuff like that begin to be accepted in academia, but for obvious reasons I doubt you'll see that.

All of these 'black studies' professors just study being black, and continue to propegate their own exceptionalism and 'oppressed minority' conviction. They should just get over themselves already. Besides bitching about slavery and demanding welfare and social services, what do they do to actually be a boon to the community that doesn't involve financing their pet projects with taxpayer money?

About as absurd as their ideas that Ebonics should be its own language, etc, etc..

For a fun game, try and list things as useless as a Black Studies professor: I'll start..... An empty can of paint, banana peels, a soiled diaper.......



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29 Sep 2010, 6:54 am

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Asking for figures is a bit hypocritical since you haven't shown any figures either and we haven't discussed figures yet, but if you insist...

There are 23,000,000 alien invaders in the US (that would make a big difference in unemployment and social service costs).
In the last decade they have wired $317,000,000,000 to Latin America.
In the last decade they cost $397,000,000,000 in healthcare costs.
There are 5,000,000 alien invader spawn in public schools (not counting anchor babies).
There have been 5,000,000 anchor babies born in the US in the last decade.
Their cost to the public school system has been $178,000,000,000
There are 432,000 alien invaders incarcerated.
There are 753,000 alien invader fugitives.
Their cost of incarceration for the last 2 years alone is $28,000,000,000. That works out to ~$140,000,000 for the last decade.
Alien invaders take up 11,000,000 skilled jobs.

The total cost of illegal immigration for the last decade is ~$1,032,000,000,000,000. All figures are rounded down. That amount of money would have paid for the war on terror or paid off Obamacare. I didn't even factor in the cost of the jobs lost to alien invaders or the costs to citizens and valid visa holders from the cost of treating the diseases alien invaders carry or the injuries from them getting behind the wheel (often while drunk




Also, I'd just like to add to this that I'd hate to think what we spend in total for English-2nd-Language programs, recruitment of bilingual teachers, and the general cost associated with feeling obligated to educate all of those that "don't habla."

In my schools, every time we had a student come in speaking some obscure language like Malayalam, the school had to go and hire some interpreter just so this one student could habla, on the taxpayer dime of course. There is a bigger cost than many may realize for all of these ESLers, to say nothing of their massive burden on the rest of society.

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Alien invaders regularly collect welfare, social security, foodstamps, and medicaid.


I'd have a ton of nickels if I had a nickel for every time I saw a Senegalese or a Haitian, or something else pay for cigarettes and beer at a gas station with their EBT card. Its like they just get one gratuitiously for showing up........... no one really knows why? They are generally underhanded enough to play the system and suck out every benefit they can from it. Why not, it is so easy for them?

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"we are all the human race" is a conspiracy.


Well it really kind of is, as people in 3rd world nations and their supporters use this as a vehicle to justify why they should be allowed to migrate.

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This is PPR. Point-counterpoint is what we do here.


My fault........ you are right. I'm still a rookie

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No, like Ian Williams and Chola Chisunka. (Click on their names to go to their websites. And yes, both of them are published authors.)


Do black people study anything anymore besides black studies? Its like their whole agenda nowadays is just majoring in 'being black,.' Its kind of pathetic actually.

I'd like to see Caucasian studies, Occidental studies, and stuff like that begin to be accepted in academia, but for obvious reasons I doubt you'll see that.

All of these 'black studies' professors just study being black, and continue to propegate their own exceptionalism and 'oppressed minority' conviction. They should just get over themselves already. Besides bitching about slavery and demanding welfare and social services, what do they do to actually be a boon to the community that doesn't involve financing their pet projects with taxpayer money?

About as absurd as their ideas that Ebonics should be its own language, etc, etc..

For a fun game, try and list things as useless as a Black Studies professor: I'll start..... An empty can of paint, banana peels, a soiled diaper.......


I use an empty can of paint to store paint-brushes. You can smoke banana peels or do all this:

http://www.rd.com/home-garden/9-extraor ... 23748.html

And diapers? Well, if you use cloth ones you can re-use them, and if not..well they do now make compostable ones....

Your things aren't useless enough, or your professor is more useful than you think.


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