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29 Sep 2010, 2:10 pm

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And why didn't you respond to the rest of my post?


I didn't see anything worth responding to............



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29 Sep 2010, 2:14 pm

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And why didn't you respond to the rest of my post?


I didn't see anything worth responding to............

I asked you plenty of relevant questions. Why didn't you respond to those?


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29 Sep 2010, 2:16 pm

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Do black people study anything anymore besides black studies? Its like their whole agenda nowadays is just majoring in 'being black,.' Its kind of pathetic actually.

I'd like to see Caucasian studies, Occidental studies, and stuff like that begin to be accepted in academia, but for obvious reasons I doubt you'll see that.

All of these 'black studies' professors just study being black, and continue to propegate their own exceptionalism and 'oppressed minority' conviction. They should just get over themselves already. Besides bitching about slavery and demanding welfare and social services, what do they do to actually be a boon to the community that doesn't involve financing their pet projects with taxpayer money?

About as absurd as their ideas that Ebonics should be its own language, etc, etc..

You do realize that Dr. Chisunka teaches classes other than Black Studies, don't you? And why didn't you comment on Dr. Williams at all?


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29 Sep 2010, 2:29 pm

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Asking you to accept that not all black people act in exactly the same way is nothing like asking you to act like a black person. Your analogy fails horribly.


Institutionalizing diversity in a nation ensures that most of the residents, and if not them their progeny, will eventually have to embrace multiculturalist lifestyles...........

In America, the ability to reside in a unicultural area is gradually being eroded away.

The government builds little colonies of black people in housing complexes all over the country in 'white areas.' In America in fact, a city or county can get blasted by the government for being 'too white,' and then mandatory population transfers usually happen.

You will see it in suburbs as you get further and further out in a city. You'll see the townhouses go up, etc, etc.


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Were those black people primitive at all? If not, then why do you seem to think that all black people are primitive?


Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Every diverse insitution I've ever seen has been a model of dysfunction, including Army units composed heavily of black people(the Army is not immune to dysfunction.)

Pretty much every black-majority city or area in the USA is a MarionBerryesque festering hole. Amazingly, its all uniformly crappy. You'd think that somewhere, somehow, there'd be a functional black neighborhood, even here, or in the 3rd world. Pretty much every sub-saharan black country is crap........ you'd think that at least ONE of these would even poke its head into the 2nd world at least, but no. They are all in an endless mess of petty tribal warfare and other nonsense. 1 billion dollars of taxpayer $$$ to 'rebuild Haiti,' (lol)



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29 Sep 2010, 2:45 pm

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Institutionalizing diversity in a nation ensures that most of the residents, and if not them their progeny, will eventually have to embrace multiculturalist lifestyles...........

In America, the ability to reside in a unicultural area is gradually being eroded away.

The government builds little colonies of black people in housing complexes all over the country in 'white areas.' In America in fact, a city or county can get blasted by the government for being 'too white,' and then mandatory population transfers usually happen.

You will see it in suburbs as you get further and further out in a city. You'll see the townhouses go up, etc, etc.

And what's so wrong about multiculturalism? It's certainly better than racism and hatred.

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Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Every diverse insitution I've ever seen has been a model of dysfunction, including Army units composed heavily of black people(the Army is not immune to dysfunction.)

Pretty much every black-majority city or area in the USA is a MarionBerryesque festering hole. Amazingly, its all uniformly crappy. You'd think that somewhere, somehow, there'd be a functional black neighborhood, even here, or in the 3rd world. Pretty much every sub-saharan black country is crap........ you'd think that at least ONE of these would even poke its head into the 2nd world at least, but no. They are all in an endless mess of petty tribal warfare and other nonsense. 1 billion dollars of taxpayer $$$ to 'rebuild Haiti,' (lol)

Boston has a majority of black people, yet it's not a "festering hole." How do you explain that? And how do you explain all of the great accomplishments made by black people, if all black people are as primitive as you seem to think they are? In fact, here's a list of some accomplishments that black people have made throughout history:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... great.html

Like it or not, black people are capable of being just as intelligent as white people are. To deny that is to be willfully ignorant.


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29 Sep 2010, 2:47 pm

I have no idea why Americans are so afraid. =.= In death, we're all the same anyway. <.< -sigh-



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29 Sep 2010, 3:00 pm

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Excuse me? my governments constitution states clearly who is a citizen the people born to Americans and born in America. Who are you a Canadian to tell me what my government thinks. Illegal immigrants are not entitled to welfare at all the only exception to this is when they have an American child otherwise they have to steal it using someone else's SSN.

EDIT: And even then legally speaking its the children who are receiving the aid.

ohhhh, okay... so illegal aliens technically are NOT allowed to receive welfare, then. you were saying the opposite before. if the welfare is for the children, the children must have been american-born.... would that mean the children are american, or not?

the original argument had been that illegal immigrants are abusing welfare, but that is not technically possible, based on the information you provided.

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someone a few pages back also tried to argue that health care costs in the united states are higher because of illegal immigrants, but that has not been borne out by the research. i found an interesting bit of information about health care costs among illegal immigrant populations:

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While rates of uninsurance are higher among immigrants as a group (authorized and unauthorized) than in the native-
born population, the number of native-born uninsured is larger than the number of uninsured immigrants. Further,
because immigrant usage of heath care services is significantly lower than that of native-born people, it becomes even
harder to make the case that immigrants drive these costs. Certainly, uncompensated care costs are a serious problem
for the health care system in the United States, particularly in areas with large numbers of uninsured patients. But, while
illegal immigration is a problem with many other dimensions, its links to uncompensated health care costs are far from
straightforward.


edited for clarity and with additional information


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29 Sep 2010, 4:08 pm

Hanotaux wrote:
Do black people study anything anymore besides black studies? Its like their whole agenda nowadays is just majoring in 'being black,.' Its kind of pathetic actually.


I took Computing Science. But I do use a sleek black Dell work station ;)

Hanotaux wrote:
I'd like to see Caucasian studies, Occidental studies, and stuff like that begin to be accepted in academia, but for obvious reasons I doubt you'll see that.


I think they call them history, sociology, psychology e.t.c.

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Pretty much every black-majority city or area in the USA is a MarionBerryesque festering hole. Amazingly, its all uniformly crappy. You'd think that somewhere, somehow, there'd be a functional black neighborhood, even here, or in the 3rd world.


It is difficult to improve inner city areas. As people start doing well for themselves they tend to move out. So the area never really benefits from improved education, wealth etc.

But also a lot of those people don't want to spend any money there. They send as much as they possibly can back to the 'old country' so that their family are looked after and they'll have a nice house and property business to retire to. ;)


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Pretty much every sub-saharan black country is crap........ you'd think that at least ONE of these would even poke its head into the 2nd world at least, but no. They are all in an endless mess of petty tribal warfare and other nonsense. 1 billion dollars of taxpayer $$$ to 'rebuild Haiti,' (lol)


It is pretty tough going when most of those countries are artificial countries created by the colonial powers. They drew a lot of straight lines on the map pushing together people who would never have naturally formed a nation.

Pretty much the same as Yugoslavia. That didn't turn out too well once the old dictators lost their grip on power.


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29 Sep 2010, 6:55 pm

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Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


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29 Sep 2010, 6:58 pm

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Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


The same thing as "Argumentum ad Hitlerum"? Except instead of Godwin's Law, it's rather PP's Law?



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29 Sep 2010, 7:05 pm

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Hanotaux wrote:
Do black people study anything anymore besides black studies? Its like their whole agenda nowadays is just majoring in 'being black,.' Its kind of pathetic actually.


I took Computing Science. But I do use a sleek black Dell work station ;)


My gaming computer is black too, but the brand label is HP and not Dell, :P Why does it even matter though whether a computer's case is black, white, transparent, yellow, green, indigo, red, orange, purple, violet, blue, aquamarine or any other place upon a spectrum of reflected and absorbed light? It has no impact on its operation (well, unless you were to be using a computer in direct sunlight, in which circumstance the black cased computer would absorb the most possible radiative heat, but in indoor conditions with proper air conditioning it wouldn't matter.)



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29 Sep 2010, 7:22 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


The same thing as "Argumentum ad Hitlerum"? Except instead of Godwin's Law, it's rather PP's Law?

Racism is absolutely relevant to the issue at hand, given that it is clearly evident that Hanotaux's position discussed in this thread is a racist position, so your claim of Godwin's Law or "PP's Law" doesn't really apply here.

In any case, that wouldn't invalidate what I said or justify his position, the forming of a perspective based on anecdotal experiences is unreliable, and given this case and in the discussion in the PPR forum, it will not be accepted as a valid justification and it will be seen as meaningless.


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29 Sep 2010, 7:24 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Hanotaux wrote:
Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


The same thing as "Argumentum ad Hitlerum"? Except instead of Godwin's Law, it's rather PP's Law?

Racism is absolutely relevant to the issue at hand, given that it is clearly evident that Hanotaux's position discussed in this thread is a racist position, so your claim of Godwin's Law or "PP's Law" doesn't really apply here.


How the heck did you get here from there?



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29 Sep 2010, 7:28 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Hanotaux wrote:
Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


The same thing as "Argumentum ad Hitlerum"? Except instead of Godwin's Law, it's rather PP's Law?

Racism is absolutely relevant to the issue at hand, given that it is clearly evident that Hanotaux's position discussed in this thread is a racist position, so your claim of Godwin's Law or "PP's Law" doesn't really apply here.


How the heck did you get here from there?

Aren't you suggesting that people appeal to Godwin's Law against Hanotaux?


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29 Sep 2010, 7:31 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Hanotaux wrote:
Personal experience and years of living in heavily minoritied areas, etc.

Anecdotal experience, I pressume you should know what that means in the PPR forum.


The same thing as "Argumentum ad Hitlerum"? Except instead of Godwin's Law, it's rather PP's Law?

Racism is absolutely relevant to the issue at hand, given that it is clearly evident that Hanotaux's position discussed in this thread is a racist position, so your claim of Godwin's Law or "PP's Law" doesn't really apply here.


How the heck did you get here from there?

Aren't you suggesting that people appeal to Godwin's Law against Hanotaux?


Huh? No, I was trying to come up with a name for the PPR subforum's rejection of personal experience as evidence.



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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Huh? No, I was trying to come up with a name for the PPR subforum's rejection of personal experience as evidence.

well, I thought that by "PP's Law" you may have meant Godwin's Law = PPR's law or something like that, given discussions related to racism and that I don't know what you mean by PP's exactly.

Just name the PPR forum as the PPR forum.
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Evidence Please: No personal experience please, no conspiracy theories please, empirical and verifiable evidence should only be recognized.


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