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04 Oct 2006, 4:37 am

according to the bible, god is love. just an abstract concept, love. (also happening to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent (yet condemning all but a few select devout sheep to hell), and the origin and creater of "all")
according to the torah, god can be whatever you envision him as.
acording to druidists god is nature itself, represented by a few entities if im correct there.
according to pantheists god is every material thing in the universe.
according to hindus god embodies a multitudes of subgods which are all one and the same god. kinda funny if you ask me.
dont even ask about allah...

so where is this monotheistical bearded old man that everyone thinks of when the word god is mentioned? how did "He" get into existence?

beats me...



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04 Oct 2006, 4:40 am

and at any rate: he who relates to ages old manuscripts written by several highly questionable individuals for his take on reality and morality is the biggest fool that walks the earth, along with all the others similar to him.



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10 Oct 2006, 4:57 am

Ok, I could say god is life, god is death, god is the universe, god is beyond comprehension...

But to me? All existence is in motion, and all motion is in existence, the space between, the gaps, or voids are always changing size and shape, I believe conciousness is a literal representation of this vibration in all things. Therefore when I die I believe I become part of everything that is, was, and shall be, according to how I live.

I do not need to believe in a concious creator judging me to be comfortable with death. I prefer to believe we're alive to live, to ponder the ever-expanding infinity of truths to be found in life, for to ponder death, as something separate and severed from life, is why we need to create such things as heaven and hell and the creator judging us from his/her seat up on high..

I think a certain naivety is required to make god out to have the same form of working conciousness itself, for what is beyond our comprehension? How everything works together! Its not the universe that is god, it is EXISTENCE..

But until I can write it in a definable essay format proved with axioms, lets leave it at that.

I'm still high from getting out of hospital for a little operation, I have a strange feeling I'm wandering today.



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17 Oct 2006, 1:00 am

IMO the only reason why God has survived is because so many people have re-invented him/her/it and the whole concept of god has become so ambigious it could mean anything from just and abstract principle to the bearded old man in the sky.



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17 Oct 2006, 8:28 am

Bingo it could be something very specific, or something very vague, the point being believe what you wanna believe, share what you wanna share, truth is self evident, what you don't wanna know, you can use faith to fill in the gaps..

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17 Oct 2006, 10:19 am

I believe that god exists. I believe in the power of faith and that it is possible to connect with god on a personal level through faith. My faith includes my belief that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected. This flies in the face of everything I have ever been taught throughout my university education and my upbringing. But now I believe that spirituality is an integral part of our humanity and that we are not completely whole as human beings until we have faith.

I believe that I have been touched by the Holy Spirit while praying in church with others and that it was a wondrous experience. I feel my life has been enriched by the experience in awesome ways because of my personal spiritual relationship to god.

I belong to a wonderful church where people can disagree on interpretations of the bible and have a dialogue about what it all means.

Many people dismiss religion based on what they think they know which is actually a very limited amount of information.



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17 Oct 2006, 11:47 am

I get the same reaction when I tell people about my belief in an infinitely moving universe..

But yeh, I'm sure lots of here love a good debate anyway.


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23 Oct 2006, 6:35 pm

God, I believe in.

Organized religion, I do NOT.



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25 Oct 2006, 1:45 pm

God/Universe/Whatever, when broken down through logic, must most likely exist at some point.. What god IS is up for debate.. However, there is still the possibility (and hope for some of you that there isnt one, although I dont know why thats a great outlook to have) that no god exists (again, it depends on how you define god - infinity might be god)

Anyone who preaches about god and their religion is just as bad as anyone who preaches that god doesnt exist

Who has the answers? No one.. Funny how people can be so confident that they are right based on absolutely nothing

BTW, if you meditate, you will become a tid bit more aware of whats happening out there.. Most, if not all religion derived from meditative states

Philosophy is the "religion" of the future as its more open for discussion..

"Religion" is a nasty by product of meditation created by those who just listened instead of 'doing' the meditations



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25 Oct 2006, 2:05 pm

the more i think about it the less sense the idea of a god makes.
i also think a godless universe is more beautiful and magical.



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25 Oct 2006, 3:59 pm

God, God, God.
Interesting topic and one that I rarely get into simply because it tends to make so many people so unreasonable.
Let's see... God was Yahweh was Jehova was... El. Yep, El. A second-rate Sumerian sky-god (lightning to be exact, if I recall correctly). Fast forward several hundred years and *foosh* gone is the Sumerian mythos and somehow this El dude has been promoted/promoted himself to head honcho, patronised a small tribe of humans and told them they're his "chosen" people, ignited a few bushes and knocked up some mortal chick. Hm. That last bit kinda reminds me of Zeus.
For a supposedly omniscient, omnipotent deity, God comes across as extremely human, imo. Don't follow Gods rules? BAM, lake of fire, demons jabbing pitchforks in yer bum. Follow a different god? Then it's okay for Gods' people to kill you until you're dead. Question God? Poof, pillar of salt, beeyotch. Pwnt. Kinda sounds like a child having a temper tantrum to me.
I mean, were God truly all-knowing, all-powerful etc., then... first example off the top of my head, here... why would he give a damn what other god some people choose to worship. Seems to me that if he/she were TRULY all-powerful, yadda yadda, he'd be content to wait until the nonbelievers died, reveal Himself to them and say "See? I was right. But I love you anyway, so here, c'mon in."
Or, let's throw in autism. Specifically low and ultra low functioning. What kind of kind and loving god would put someone through that? Oh, they get to go straight to heaven? Then why bother having had them on earth in the first place? Moreover, what kind of biased "test" is that? "Here, person with a wonderful spirit but screwed up brain, this is earth. Many people will regard you as a complete and utter moron and even the ones that love you will often find you trying. Some people may spit on you, others will institutionalise you and then molest you. But *I* love you." No, if you really loved them and wanted their unbiased love in return, you'd set up a fairer "test".
And on the whole notion of testing, a la Job, I say "WTF?" Testing us? Sounds like God's a sadistic bastard, y'ask me.
However, at the same time, I'm reminded of how much I don't know about The World And So On. There may well BE a god, for all I know. I'm just one hairless monkey on a minor planet.
But all the same, the Christian/Muslim god can kiss my butt until he comes up with some explanations and apologies.
My family wasn't too big on religion when I was growing up and I was encouraged to find my own Way, and ultimately settled on a mix of Buddhism (Zen) and Taoism. Makes a lot of sense to me.

this is just scratching the surface... easier to get into it in person, but that usually also implies '...within kicking distance if you offend them'.



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25 Oct 2006, 5:55 pm

No one has the answers so put faith into what "IS"

If you want to believe in something, I will say for the 100000th time, practice Meditation, as religion got its roots here (and did so for an exact reason)

If you want to believe a "system" of rules, like that of muslim or whatever, then close your mind up and preach on..



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27 Oct 2006, 1:32 am

Truth is self evident, science isn't based on faith as it created everything we know.


Sure some aspects of it are, but thats cause they're new.


God or Godless its all the same to me, I don't care what you wanna call it, I'm obsessed with the infinite possibilities between all things, I'm obsessed with the pursuit of knowledge, for the further I travel into the known, the more the unknown reveals itself.

Meditation can take many forms, for me it takes the form of sound, or listening to running bath water..


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01 Nov 2006, 3:14 pm

I wanted sausage, so I could be the bun.


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02 Nov 2006, 4:26 am

To simplify my current conclusion of what it is; God is a purely mathematically driven force (aka fancy way to say laws of physics) which if the right equations can formulate, it can have a level of intelligence much like a Artificial Intelligence system, but since it's mostly mathematical and not very emotional, morality is irrelevant to it's primary function. God can have a personification however I doubt it can break it's own rules by performing divine tricks, because it would serve as a error to it's fundamental purpose. If it can, it'll be able to perhaps change the fundamental equations for a nanosecond to accommodate for something it has developed personal interest in; but it won't be a babysitter or genie and grant wishes to everyone, because it can't do that without consequence.

But here's an ethical question you have to consider: Why would it save humanity from it's self destruction when another life form as we speak is probably at war, killing each other in the trillions and yet it did nothing to stop them? It's simple, because it's just letting it's mathematical laws dictate the outcome physically and being fair in a logical sense. Divine intervention is a illogical motive to it, however only in probably a freak chance it could do something out of the ordinary, but I'm talking once in every several thousand years, or even up to billions of years. But until I see it, I doubt it'll do anything for us.

The last thing I should add is that, according to the dimensional structure of this existence which I believe is 9-dimensional, I feel there's actually three of them. The reason why is because three unique factors exist, and those are: Individuality, Electromagnetism and Gravitation. Time flows cubically as each factor has one temporal axis constituting their effect I believe; however they all work in synchronization in a spatial environment forming a linear time line. I know kind of off-topic but I figured I should give a bit more information to give an idea of how that would be possible.

I use the word 'believe' a lot in saying that because no-one is qualified to state an answer of what god is as fact, because it's purely an unknown which may never be figured out.


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