Japan Dolphins

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Im sure there are a lot of you who have see the movie/documentary The Cove and then there are a lot of you who havent. I had no idea that anyone was killing dolphins on a mass scale and eating them but I have recently been made aware of this. I now know that over 20.000 dolphins are killed for food in Taiji Japan every year. I also recently watched The Cove and was deeply moved and cried more than I have in a very long time. I was surprised to find out that the man who found out about this and started Save Japan Dolphins is Ric O'Barry the man who caught and trained the dolphins for the TV show Flipper. He feels like he is, in a way, responsible for the "Dolphin market" and he has spent most of his life trying to turn that around and help dolphins to return to the wild. I feel spurred on to do something so I have signed every petition available, sent emails, and I have donated money and will continue to do so until this stops. Its easy to sign petition and these petitions and this noise that we are making is being heard. The Japanese people are now aware of what is going on. Many of them, especially in the larger cities did not know and a lot were shocked just as I was. Even in Taiji they kept the kill hidden inside the cove with fences and guards. The Japanese public know now that dolphin meat is high in mercury and they were feeding it to school children.....because of Save Japan Dolphins this has stopped, but unfortunately killing has not.
When I was a kid I loved Flipper and I was obsessed with dolphins. Just a few years ago I had year passes to Sea World as we lived in San Diego. My then 6 year old son's special interest was also dolphins (he is still very adamant about being a marine biologist and helping dolphins)...just like me at his age. He wanted to be near dolphins so we would go to Sea World a lot. The more I went the more I began to realize the animals were unhappy. It became a depressing place for me and we stopped going. After the tragic death of a Sea World trainer about a year ago due to a killer whale who "lost it" I realized that these places were truly wrong. When I found that this was not the only person this whale had killed. My first thought was "Let him go"....they did not and have not let him go. They need him for sperm! Hes a money maker and they do not care about him. Its been proven over and over that killer whales and dolphins can successfully be returned to the ocean.
Im not going to tell anyone not to go to marine parks but I will tell you that many dolphins come to marine parks around the world from this slaughter. You can go to savejapandolphins.org to learn more and there are several petitions you can sign and you will find the links to them on the site.There is a petition for people saying they will never go to another marine park or swim with dolphins park but lets just focus on stopping the killing if you are interested in doing anything. If you chose to do this do it not for me but for these beautiful, intelligent, self aware beings who are murdered in an inhumane horrible way (most of them suffer sometimes for hours after being stabbed). If this and the killing of whales goes on it could kill our oceans eco system. Dolphins, in the wild, have saved humans lives....we should return the favor!

Dont know if its the same film, but I saw a film of what the Japanese do to Dolphins, hearing them scream as they are dragged along the road behind lorrys, thier skin being erased from thier living bodies, and the hardened to evil little Japanese school children walking past, totally unmoved by the horror occurring feet away.

I wrote to the Japanese Prime Minister about it, telling him what I though of his disgusting country for allowing such athing, and that I would never buy another Japanese product.

I dont blame the Japanese as a whole but I do think the government should step in and help get this stopped. No I did not see the film you mentioned but that sounds just as awful. There was another fishing village in Japan that they mention in The Cove that slaughtered so many dolphins that they no longer have any. I am not sure how to spell the name but, like I said, they talk about it in the documentary. I hope that you went and signed the petitions for the problem they now have in Taiji. They are getting closer to ending it.
I wish I were physically and financially able to go to Taiji Japan this September as Ric O'Barry is trying to get 1000 people to show up in protest. Also he has a show on Animal Planet right now called Blood Dolphins if you dont want to watch The Cove.

What is it with the Japanese and Ceteceans?

When Americans killed the critters they were after the oil to light their lamps. Once kerosine was introduced the whale hunting fell way off in North America. With the Japanese it seem to be almost like a vendetta.

ruveyn

i'm really not a racist, i pretty much hate all humans equally. we all have our quirks. the koreans like to torture and beat dogs to death because it makes the meat taste better (adrenalin) , there are films at peta.com, but no movies.
the chinese like to throw live cats into boiling water before eating them, maybe for fun. again, no movies. the west asians seem to like to strip animals of their fur while still alive, absolutely for fun as they watch them slowly die. no movies but film at peta.com and other animal rights groups websites. lots of others.

look at us. michael vick is a hero. praised by our %@*&%@#+&^% president. dogfights in every county in america with over 1000 humans infesting the land.

but, back to the japanese. their culture is a little different than european. while in basic military training we were shown films of world war 2 prisoners being tortured and killed by their japanese captors. how i wish every human on this planet could see it. the japanese had filmed this as if proud of how they treated the inferior races. captured by american troops at a prison at the end of ww2. we were told the usa troops killed every japanese soldier and civilian they could find in the camp. a good thing.

the horror in that film is still with me all these years later. i've been in 50 different countries but not japan. would not go for any reason. no, that's not correct, would go if i thought i might save dolphins, whales or other non-human animals. i've searched the internet for this film, but cannot find it. have asked present day military troops if they were shown it or something like it. no. it's gone. too politically incorrect, i guess. if you know a vietnam era vet, ask them about it. 'specially about sticking a high pressure nozzle up a guy's butt and all the guards laughing as the american exploded.

might explain why the japanese kids reacted the way they did. god made man in his image????? please god, stay the $%#& away from me.

sorry if i killed your topic LILOLEME......i can do that, too intense, i guess.

most humans on wrong planet do not really care about animals other than their own 'pets'. check out any of the topics with the word PETA in them.

No problem...sometimes its good to get intense. I have noticed too that not many people seem to care about animals here. I have read some of the threads for PETA ect. and I was worried that people would make jokes about the Dolphins but Ive been lucky so far. I always thought most Autistic people, like me, could relate to animals more than they could most humans.
I just wanted to put this out there anyway in case anyone else wanted to help. There is power in numbers and there have been changes made. I have had people ask me why Im so worried about the dolphins when there are children starving. Its not that I dont have concern for other tragedies in the is world but right now Im focusing on this one.

I have no objection to hunting or farming animals for food and other commodities, provided that three conditions are met:

1) the hunt or farming is sustainable

2) that the treatment the animals are subjected to is as humane as possible in the circumstances; and

3) the animal is used as completely as possible

I object to any hunting or farming of species at risk, on the first ground. I object to milk-fed veal on the second ground and I object to harvesting shark fin on the third. In contrast, I have no objection to the seal hunt.

As for this particular hunt, I see strong reason to object on the grounds of the treatment of the animals.

That is one of the most disturbing aspects of this is that they are not killed instantly or in any way humanely. Not only do they sit for a day roped into the cove terrified but they are stabbed just here and there and allowed to suffer. Not only that but they tend to rope off the babies and kill them last so they hear their parents being killed. If you watch The Cove they put a underwater microphone in the killing cove and you can hear the dolphins screaming....and believe me it is screaming. Its horrible and I cant see anyone but these heartless group of fishermen viewing this and thinking any different.

This is coming from someone who's favorite animal is the dolphin. Why do Wapanese kids(wannabe Japanese) kids want to be from a country that slaughters a rare, beautiful animal? All because Japan is so Kawaii?! ! That's friggin stupid! Dolphins are the Kawaii(cute) things, not some dumb manga character.

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Not a great first line.


Not a great second line.

to VEXXY-----you're right, let me start over:

it was a dark and stormy night, the kind of night that slid into you like a pickpocket in vegas, with long fingers grazing your body as light as a zeppelin lifting from a german airfield in ww2. ah, ww2, where racism was rampant, except i was immune from the superiority of race thought. having been weaned by my wolf mother and taught that humans as a whole hated and abused the other animals, i, as a non-specie, wanted to help the abused. damn the humans.

dawn will break, every day, as dramatically as a wave on shore, a shore maybe close to the japan mainland, a cove perhaps where the horrors of hate and superiority are inflicted on our brothers the dolphins by the remnants of japanese culture, a culture traced back to ww2, where torture of prisoners of war was a sport, the sport being in the delivering of death by pain and dismemberment.

SO, i think it's ok to use humor in a serious situation, 'specially if you can slap someone in the head with it.

The H word topic

I remember reading a while back about some survey done by a researcher to find the most violent workers in the US. I think it was done in Chicago and involved quizzing people about their jobs and then their opinions on certain topics. the findings shocked the researchers in that the most violent were people who had histories of working in slaughterhouses (killing floors). I suppose this could be stretched to include wildlife slaughter, and the sorts of people who would inhumanely slaughter animals for the pure pleasure as some of those mentioned by Lilioleme.

Apparently the reasoning for this is that after a while, the workers would be habituated to the cries/shrieks of the animals being put to death for consumption. they simply no longer felt that the creatures had any rights.

Ska's video underscores the hypocrisy of condemning one group of hunters by juxtaposing the slaughter of chickens. It is indeed laughable.

I agree with visagrunt's analysis:

Visagrunt wrote:



I have no idea why there would be no objection to inhumane slaughter of any living creature, as outlined by visagrunt. The only parallel I can draw is that there may be something psychopathic going on, and that those drawn to wanting to participate in such an activity posses some of the traits.

It should be recalled that many psychopaths mutilated/tortured animals as children, or
witnessed this regularly. the participation in virtual abuse is also cited as a factor, though not as effective as direct participation. There have been some Japanese who have protested, and they must have seen some of the horrors Lilioleme mentions.

It is terrible to think of wanton torture in order to make the flavour of the animals better. Nowadays most in North America are far removed from the food processing picture. I think if more of us witnessed it, more would be vegans.( I understand Temple Grandin tries to make the process as humane as possible, and this is laudable, but the fact is that some of these animals will not go down without some sort of vocal protest. )

Does all this justification make me feel less guilty? No. Ska's video just made me more aware of what I was feeling, just below the surface, as my own skin is still intact as I write.