So... How 'bout that California vegetable crop next year?

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12 Mar 2011, 11:37 am

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12 Mar 2011, 11:50 am

Even Chernobyl did not produce that bad an output. And most of it will dissipate in a matter of weeks. Perhaps a few hundred additional cancers. We probably get worse from solar storms.

However it would be ironic if a Japanese nuclear explosion did damage the U.S. Payback is such a pain.

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12 Mar 2011, 1:06 pm

The US is probably too far away even in the worst case scenario. At Chernobyl the actual reactor exploded exposing the nuclear core and from what I heard the explosion at Fukushima was because of the buildup of steam in one of the surrounding structures and that the reactor or the container surrounding it were not damaged. The INES score for this event is currently a 4, Chernobyl was a 7 and Three Mile Island was a 5.

edit: that map is really fake btw. If it were actually true, everyone in that area would be dead with in months. 750 rads is 100% fatal.



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12 Mar 2011, 3:29 pm

Nothing to worry about.

Fallout only poses a real threat if you are within range of heavy particles, and that's in the case of a "dirty" bomb. The farther away you go, the less likely anything of real danger will come to you.

The most toxic fallout will land in the ocean and be dispersed over the insane amount of water it contains. People closest to where that fallout lands have the highest risk of short-term contamination.

Fallout that can travel thousands of miles upon the wind is not only weak, it is short-lived. Often being negated within 60-100 days.

California has little to be concerned about.



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12 Mar 2011, 3:36 pm

Japan is approximately the same distance away as the US nuclear testing grounds in the South Pacific. Those were much, much bigger releases of radiation and the fallout clouds did not make it to North America in a dangerous or meaningful way


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12 Mar 2011, 4:06 pm

Looks like the south west is going to have some problems with thier largest cash crop...i mean what are all those medical dispensaries going to sell now? :wink: :wink:



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12 Mar 2011, 4:26 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Japan is approximately the same distance away as the US nuclear testing grounds in the South Pacific. Those were much, much bigger releases of radiation and the fallout clouds did not make it to North America in a dangerous or meaningful way


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12 Mar 2011, 4:44 pm

Source? I don't think it is yet confirmed there was a "nuclear meltdown",

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Even Chernobyl did not produce that bad an output. And most of it will dissipate in a matter of weeks. Perhaps a few hundred additional cancers. We probably get worse from solar storms.

However it would be ironic if a Japanese nuclear explosion did damage the U.S. Payback is such a pain.

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Chernobyl was very bad. The communists were in charge and they made it very hard to get information, but overall it did cause some global impact.


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12 Mar 2011, 4:56 pm

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Chernobyl was very bad. The communists were in charge and they made it very hard to get information, but overall it did cause some global impact.


Coronal mass ejections from the Sun have a global impact. So what?

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12 Mar 2011, 8:45 pm

The fallout drift zones are correct. The labels are fake.



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12 Mar 2011, 8:48 pm

markko wrote:
The fallout drift zones are correct. The labels are fake.



Did you know it was fake when you posted it? What are the correct labels.



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12 Mar 2011, 11:19 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Chernobyl was very bad. The communists were in charge and they made it very hard to get information, but overall it did cause some global impact.


That and Chernobyl was basically an outdated "dirty" reactor with hardly any real standard in "containment" for the reactor itself. That's how most of the toxins got into the environment once it caught fire and burned.

If the Japan reactors are built the way they should be, the most that will get out in the air is some irradiated steam. Biggest threat is the reactor melting through the floor of the containment vessel and contaminating the groundwater. Nothing close to what Chernobyl was like.



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13 Mar 2011, 5:28 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Chernobyl was very bad. The communists were in charge and they made it very hard to get information, but overall it did cause some global impact.


That and Chernobyl was basically an outdated "dirty" reactor with hardly any real standard in "containment" for the reactor itself. That's how most of the toxins got into the environment once it caught fire and burned.

If the Japan reactors are built the way they should be, the most that will get out in the air is some irradiated steam. Biggest threat is the reactor melting through the floor of the containment vessel and contaminating the groundwater. Nothing close to what Chernobyl was like.


Chernobyl was a dangerous piece of crap (as is and was most Soviet industrial produce) and was built to fulfill a five year plan to keep the Komrad Kommisars happy. A nuclear generator -without- a containment vessel is absolutely criminally negligent and stupid. The Japanese nuke plants are built according to the best available standards in the industry. Even so, things can Go Wrong.

Consider the Titanic. Well built, she was by the standard of her day, but the cold Atlantic water made here hull brittle and the stupidity of her commander led to a collision (totally avoidable, by the way) with an iceberg.

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13 Mar 2011, 10:44 am

ikorack wrote:
markko wrote:
The fallout drift zones are correct. The labels are fake.



Did you know it was fake when you posted it? What are the correct labels.


No. Then I looked up rems, rads, roetgens and other cool stuff. I think what you can draw from the colors are hot zones.

I'm not exactly in the yellow zone, but I'm still going to take potassium iodide tablets if there is a massive radiation leak.