Strident Atheists' Pre-Election Poll

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Well, if AG is going to cross the CRUCIAL LINE of referring to PMs and conversations extraneous to WP, may I also say that he...

A) AG supports eugenics, so that COULD MEAN YOU! And if if *could* mean you then it *almost certainly* means you! *You* could be an atheist and thus are almost certainly an atheist. Therefore, AG supports the eugenic culling off of atheists!

B) AG expressed angst at atheists "attacking people who talk about their church experiences". This shows that he is soft and NOT STRIDENT!! !

C) AG has endorsed liberal Calvinism and sleeps in a bed of cash provided for by affluent liberal CALVINISTS who hate atheism.



Bluster away, you Chirs Hedge sycophant.

I think that your lead is puny and meaningless and instead you should focus on good advertisement.

I suggest: We have booze and lesbians and cookies!"

Once again, we see the notorious equivocation of the liberal Calvinist campaign against me. I am referring to theological liberalism not American social welfare liberalism. Nobody in their right mind would regard a radical, Moore hating, centrist like Orwell anywhere near social welfare liberalism.

Nevertheless, I have avoided labelling myself liberal consistently because of the negative associations it has in my mind.

Are you saying that you AREN'T a transhumanist? If not, then why not? How not? I think it clearly follows from your own philosophy that you would promote human improvement, and human improvement is both robot arms and the perfect pair of genes.


You mean I support treating people of religion with respect, recognizing that more flies are caught with honey than vinegar? If you want to do this job right, you clearly have to know when to cross the line and when not. You cross the line when the shock will get people to start thinking again. You don't when doing so will cause them to stop. Any atheist who is open will be called "Strident", so the point is being an atheist who is a real challenge to opponents.


Right... because that 7th point of Calvinism (This world is the best of all possible worlds: http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-lib ... -calvinist ) Is TOTALLY something I've promoted? Look, I am going to say to Orwell right now, that if he believes his God is sovereign, which is an implication of Calvinism, then this world HAS TO BE THE BEST, but it very very very clearly is not. I've actually spent pages and pages arguing that this world is NOT the best possible world, when God needs it to be while you were using your alias and CLEAR LOGICAL FLAWS to dispute this point. I don't think I have a problem here.


I think we all know that the reason you haven't disputed any of this is because you cannot.

I'm a Presbyterian (hence MP's references to the "liberal Calvinists"-that would be me). I just find the Strident Atheist group amusing.

And Inuyasha's a creationist.

So who are you guys gonna draft? Skafather, will you run for most strident atheist? Or do we need new blood here? Ryan93?

Its us having a great deal of fun.

I intend to vote for a left wing secularist over any other individual,
in every election of any kind
for the rest of my life.


Although it's worth noting that I consider "right-libertarian" to be a giggle-worthy oxymoron.

So, if we set up a vote on "Who is the most right-wing?" or "Who is the most fundamentalist?", you'd vote for the left wing secularist over any other individual? I don't honestly know about you, Bethie, but I personally believe that such an attitude has failed in a situation like that.

In any case, I would probably have to disagree with you on the oxymoronic qualities of "right-libertarian", although it depends on how you define it and what policies it entailed, I would imagine that you are thinking of some uncommon empirical argument against it, or that you are actually thinking of it in the context of left-libertarianism.(which originally had the title, but weird historical moves in our naming system made the whole matter complicated, long-story short, right-libertarians actually do now own the name "libertarian" in America, meaning that the term "right-libertarian" is really a concession to the left given that name change) However, when it comes down to it, libertarians do seem to want to provide people more choices in both their social and economic lives, they do not have reason to believe their actions would not lead to less choices, even further most other ideologies either have problems working, or very well might sacrifice some choice for a supposed greater good, such as economic choices, or some social choices, and in either case, this is something both the right and left are willing to do(rather than right only picking one sacrifice and left only taking the other) that libertarians are not. I mean, I think that the only group that would rival right-libertarians in a dedication to liberty would be left-libertarians, and I also think that unless left-libertarianism has actually begun to accept some notions of economic theory, that is is intellectually dead(as much as people want to criticize economic theory, it is too easy to make a strawman of it, or to try to cast it off as worthless, when incentives WILL matter). I also don't think that this perception of failure is controversial, as most economists do not think that left-libertarianism is viable at all, whereas they are more accepting of right-libertarianism as a viable intellectual position.

I'm not running. I have no desire for any titles...that's something you'd see from organized religion.

Here we go, strident atheists of PPR! A true leader who is not power-hungry and likely to abuse their role like AG or MP would! Draft skafather84 for Most STRIDENT Atheist!

Can a candidate with no ambition really represent strident atheism?

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The Strident Atheists are a group that has gathered enough power in PPR that other members have been encouraged not to provoke us, and I think Skafather does the best job of representing us. Personally I don't think he would abuse the power that he had a role in gathering. So I second the motion to draft Skafather84 to run for Most Strident Atheist.

I would put my name in the hat, but nobody knows me well enough for me to do so.

Well it's not like I've given up on my mind and have acquiesced to the god of the gaps or anything.

Guys, M_P, AG, Orwell & 91 are all actually Inuyasha trying to undermine the Atheist organization by sowing the seeds of disunity


M_P
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