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Come June 10, would you vote for a leftwing secularist above a radical right-libertarian to be WP's Most Strident Atheist given that radical right-libertarian policies lead to low levels of atheism?
I would vote for the leftwing secularist! 55%  55%  [ 18 ]
No, I would vote for the religion helping, self-hating atheist right-libertarian. 15%  15%  [ 5 ]
None of the above 30%  30%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 33

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27 Mar 2011, 10:31 am

Bad Religion, American Jesus wrote:
I don't need to be a global citizen,
'Cuz I'm blessed by nationality.
I'm member of a growing populace,
We enforce our popularity.
There are things that seem to pull us under and,
There are things that drag us down.
But there's a power and a vital presence,
It's lurking all around.

We've got the American Jesus,
See him on the interstate.
We've got the American Jesus,
He helped build the President's estate.

I feel sorry for the Earth's population,
'Cuz so few live in the U.S.A.
At least the foreigners can copy our morality,
They can visit but they cannot stay.
Only precious few can garner our prosperity,
It makes us walk with renewed confidence.
We got a place to go when we die,
And the architect resides right here.

We've got the American Jesus,
Bolstering national faith.
We've got the American Jesus,
Overwhelming millions every day.

He's the farmer's barren fields, (In God)
The force the army wields, (We trust)
Expressions on the faces of the starving millions, (Because He's one of us)
The power of the man, (Break down)
He's the fuel that drives the Klan, (Cave in)
He's the motive and the conscience of the murderer, (We can redeem your sins)
He's the preacher on T.V., (Strong heart)
The false sincerity, (Clear mind)
The form letter that's written by the big computers, (And infinitely kind)
The nuclear bombs, (You lose)
The kids with no moms, (We win)
And I'm fearful that he's inside me... (He is our champion)

We've got the American Jesus
See him on the interstate
We've got the American Jesus
Exercising his authority
We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith
We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

One nation, under God...


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27 Mar 2011, 6:24 pm

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27 Mar 2011, 9:34 pm

^ And I believe that is sufficient to count as an official declaration of Skafather's candidacy. Vote skafather84 for 2012! Because we've been waiting almost 20 years for this kind of stridency.


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27 Mar 2011, 9:39 pm

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^ And I believe that is sufficient to count as an official declaration of Skafather's candidacy. Vote skafather84 for 2012! Because we've been waiting almost 20 years for this kind of stridency.

I don't think this forum has existed for 20 years. Maybe Alex Planck is being maintained by plastic surgeons and cosmetologists though.



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27 Mar 2011, 9:44 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Orwell wrote:
^ And I believe that is sufficient to count as an official declaration of Skafather's candidacy. Vote skafather84 for 2012! Because we've been waiting almost 20 years for this kind of stridency.

I don't think this forum has existed for 20 years. Maybe Alex Planck is being maintained by plastic surgeons and cosmetologists though.

A reference to the "84" in his name, interpreting it as a 2-digit date which nicely coincides with the pattern set for American election years.

Although I see a typo now- that should be 30, not 20.


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27 Mar 2011, 9:51 pm

In any case, if we are to have a campaign, we need to have moderated debates. That's just that. We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism. You know whose rationalism is the most awesome and glorious and hard? Mine. If you really believe in atheism, you need my strong and hard rationality inserted into this campaign. My rationality will make you feel good, and it accepting it is just another step to a better world.



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28 Mar 2011, 8:05 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
In any case, if we are to have a campaign, we need to have moderated debates. That's just that. We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism. You know whose rationalism is the most awesome and glorious and hard? Mine. If you really believe in atheism, you need my strong and hard rationality inserted into this campaign. My rationality will make you feel good, and it accepting it is just another step to a better world.


That is just false. You are incompetent in delivering a knock out blow to apologists. I can.

Evidence: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt143014.html



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28 Mar 2011, 9:11 am

Orwell wrote:
that should be 30, not 20.


And now I feel old.


Could just be that it's Monday. :P


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28 Mar 2011, 9:24 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism.


I disagree. The enemy we fight fights with rhetoric first and as its primary source of power and control. While the rationalism should be protected, the rhetoric needs to be finely tuned and turned louder at appropriate times while softer when necessary.


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28 Mar 2011, 10:15 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
In any case, if we are to have a campaign, we need to have moderated debates. That's just that. We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism. You know whose rationalism is the most awesome and glorious and hard? Mine. If you really believe in atheism, you need my strong and hard rationality inserted into this campaign. My rationality will make you feel good, and it accepting it is just another step to a better world.


Talking dirty to me wont get you my vote. And your rationalism needs a prophylactic.


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28 Mar 2011, 11:39 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
In any case, if we are to have a campaign, we need to have moderated debates. That's just that. We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism. You know whose rationalism is the most awesome and glorious and hard? Mine. If you really believe in atheism, you need my strong and hard rationality inserted into this campaign. My rationality will make you feel good, and it accepting it is just another step to a better world.


Talking dirty to me wont get you my vote. And your rationalism needs a prophylactic.

HA HA HA HA HA! I am glad someone got the joke.



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28 Mar 2011, 11:43 am

skafather84 wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
We can't have rhetoric get in the way of hard rationalism.


I disagree. The enemy we fight fights with rhetoric first and as its primary source of power and control. While the rationalism should be protected, the rhetoric needs to be finely tuned and turned louder at appropriate times while softer when necessary.

Actually you don't. I said "get in the way of". Secondly, that statement that you are protesting on grounds of the value of rhetoric is actually a very very rhetorically loaded statement, in fact, often statements attacking rhetoric are laced with rhetoric, and really just done on behalf of promoting a virtue.



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28 Mar 2011, 11:56 am

01001011 wrote:
That is just false. You are incompetent in delivering a knock out blow to apologists. I can.

Evidence: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt143014.html

Yes, a debate against 91, a man who is defiant to even logic itself, is really good evidence of my lack of talent. Seriously, he's disputed textbook logic, taking multiple pages where multiple posters pointed out that his claims disagreed with standard textbooks on the matter. The fact that I can take the time to deal with the endless waves of inanity show that I deserve a medal for patience.

Even further, in that thread, there is no real sign of you showing much ability to deal a knock-out blow. Maybe you disagree, but seriously, I have seen no sign that you have the great counter-apologetics skills you think you do.



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28 Mar 2011, 12:04 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
often statements attacking rhetoric are laced with rhetoric, and really just done on behalf of promoting a virtue.


A tactic that one must be familiar with and proficient in.


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29 Mar 2011, 7:35 am

Every apologist is defiant to logic and evidence to some extend. It is naive to think that one can convince an apologist simply by stating logic. The way to silence an apologist is to convince him he cannot hope to stay in the game by producing more nonsense. It is evident that the same 91 quits debating with me much sooner than with you.