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Or, in my case, being the whole reason for the vulnerability and trauma and suffering through being "different" in the first place. I grew up in the Bible Belt-- and believe me, as an agnostic, an Aspie, and a transplanted Northerner, the conservative environment did not give me the chance to thrive.

Really? I'm actually surprised by that, considered the people that tended to backstab me happened to be liberals.

Actually, that theoretical traumatized or vulnerable person, in the good old days championed by conservatives, would most likely have been the object of ridicule and derision. Liberals are more likely to extend acceptance and understanding to such a person. At least, that's been my personal experience.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That is until you disagree with them then liberals will hate you at an entirely new level and treat you like ****. Conservatives, when the realize they screwed up on a first impression or they are wrong are more apt to apologize for how they initially treated you, and they don't mind if you have a differing viewpoint.

Wow, have we ever had vastly different life experiences. Explains a lot, doesn't it?

Back to the OP. I disagree with the conclusion. I don't think there is a correlation between change as a reality and political position. Conservatives at the moment are advocating more drastic change than the liberals are, because the natural tide of events, the gradual turning of things, has been in a liberal direction. The conservatives are reacting to it and wanting to make changes. Stopping the flow of immigration is to make a change. Reducing taxes is to make a change. There isn't that much "it is what it is" going on in conservative circles, as far as I can see. *I'm* the one usually saying that phrase, and I'm politically liberal. What is reactionary and what is stable changes depending upon the natural trends of the moment.

In my experience, conservative ideology wants to fit as much as possible into a single box. Liberal ideology wants to vary the boxes.

My favorite sound bite is:

Conversatives say to government, "stay out of my business!"
Liberals say, "stay out of my bedroom!"
and Libertarians say, "stay out of everything!"

Both main groups are, as a matter of practice, FOR change, IF it is in an area of life that is a priority to them.

As for who is accepting of who when it comes to day to day life, and personal interaction: I know accepting and unaccepting people of all political stripes. I think it is a personality trait more than a political one, and I don't think it correlates that closely to political affiliation.

No, wanting to stop illegal immigration is about wanting to preserve the sovereignty of this country, a country that refuses to defend its own borders soon ceases to be a country.

Given that we have had a steady flow of immigration, not always legally defined, since before we even were a nation, I can't buy that argument. It is a desire to take a river that has always flowed and stick a dam on it. That IS change. The fact that people got on the riverboat and got upset when they actually got swept down river doesn't make it the river boats fault. It did what it has always done. It is the upset passengers that misunderstood the journey, and want to cry foul that they can't re-land at the same spot they left from. So they try to dam the river.

Oh, it's actually more of a matter of the individual. I've met people of both political persuasions who were either gracious, or as*holes.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I've got nothing against religious people in general-- but in my experience, at least where I grew up, the religious weren't very good neighbors. They had established a world of their own, and I wasn't welcome in it. I was tormented all the time at school for being different-- for moving in from New Jersey, for not going to church, for being just plain "strange" (which I now know in retrospect was my AS). Even my parents were treated with hostility and condescension by the other parents. To be honest, I didn't have a single truly close friendship outside my own family until I moved to Canada, away from the South.

I'm not sure what happened to you, to make you dislike and distrust liberal-minded people so much, but I assure you, just as I know there are many conservatives and Christians who are not as hostile as the people who tormented me, there are also many progressives who would respect you if you gave them the chance. I can only speak for myself. I'm not interested in condescending to you, or forcing my opinions on you, even if we disagree on things. I learned a long time ago, through firsthand experience, how awful that makes other people feel.

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I have never been called a fa***t or a ret*d by a liberal

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Me neither...

I have, among other things far worse.

Now it I who roll my eyes.
yeah in the Inuverse I am sure that is true.

fa***t makes sense, but what's stopping em from calling someone a ret*d?

I guess the word is seen as a slur.

It's especially cruel when aimed at a person with a genuine mental disability.
And then there's the rest of us who can be hurt by that word. Back in my public school days, even though I was often the smartest kid in class, because I was perceived to be so socially inept that I was often labeled as a "ret*d."
Back in those days, nobody in this country had any idea what high functioning autism was.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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