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13 May 2011, 8:03 pm

have you ever seen heat crack pavement or make a fireplace out of cinder blocks and they crack from the heat?

Okay, the Earth's crust is like that. It's sitting on top of very hot magma and that occasionally caused cracks in the crust which we see as volcanoes and fissures and whatnot. When the crust moves (in this case, we call them plates), they move away from the other plates. This happens at the rate fingernails grow - about 4 inches a year. Scientists know the distance from where the continent seemed to fit like the east coast of South America looks as though it fit into Africa's west coast. They take the distance and the time it takes the continent to move and figure on how long it's taken the continents to move into their current positions. They figure about 600 million years ago, the super-continent called Pangea broke apart and drifted slowly away from each other.

So, 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000


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13 May 2011, 8:09 pm

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have you ever seen heat crack pavement or make a fireplace out of cinder blocks and they crack from the heat?

Okay, the Earth's crust is like that. It's sitting on top of very hot magma and that occasionally caused cracks in the crust which we see as volcanoes and fissures and whatnot. When the crust moves (in this case, we call them plates), they move away from the other plates. This happens at the rate fingernails grow - about 4 inches a year. Scientists know the distance from where the continent seemed to fit like the east coast of South America looks as though it fit into Africa's west coast. They take the distance and the time it takes the continent to move and figure on how long it's taken the continents to move into their current positions. They figure about 600 million years ago, the super-continent called Pangea broke apart and drifted slowly away from each other.

So, 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000


So, what happens to the situation when a massive asteroid smashes into the earth?



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13 May 2011, 8:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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have you ever seen heat crack pavement or make a fireplace out of cinder blocks and they crack from the heat?

Okay, the Earth's crust is like that. It's sitting on top of very hot magma and that occasionally caused cracks in the crust which we see as volcanoes and fissures and whatnot. When the crust moves (in this case, we call them plates), they move away from the other plates. This happens at the rate fingernails grow - about 4 inches a year. Scientists know the distance from where the continent seemed to fit like the east coast of South America looks as though it fit into Africa's west coast. They take the distance and the time it takes the continent to move and figure on how long it's taken the continents to move into their current positions. They figure about 600 million years ago, the super-continent called Pangea broke apart and drifted slowly away from each other.

So, 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000


So, what happens to the situation when a massive asteroid smashes into the earth?


Obviously the Earth is totally fragmented and a rather neat ring of debris forms in what was originally Earth's orbit.



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13 May 2011, 8:15 pm

billions of tons of dust block out the sun killing off nearly everything on the planet.

But, it created something nice. Something called the KT boundary. It's a thin layer of a rare element found mainly in asteroids and meteorites under which, dinosaur bones are found and above which, no dinosaur bones are found.


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13 May 2011, 8:16 pm

Eh?

"600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000:"

Is there a point?

I know I sometimes post gobstoppers, but I try to make them somewhat accessible.

Yes, pavement cracks. In my experience it is more likely roots or subsidence or winter freeze upheval, but whatever. And as for continents I get the drift.

But 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000? If that is tying this in to some ill advised creation chronologies. are you sayiong the universe came into existence 600,000,000 years ago? Are you saying 6000 is a Creationist estimate on continental drift?



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13 May 2011, 8:17 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MasterJedi wrote:
have you ever seen heat crack pavement or make a fireplace out of cinder blocks and they crack from the heat?

Okay, the Earth's crust is like that. It's sitting on top of very hot magma and that occasionally caused cracks in the crust which we see as volcanoes and fissures and whatnot. When the crust moves (in this case, we call them plates), they move away from the other plates. This happens at the rate fingernails grow - about 4 inches a year. Scientists know the distance from where the continent seemed to fit like the east coast of South America looks as though it fit into Africa's west coast. They take the distance and the time it takes the continent to move and figure on how long it's taken the continents to move into their current positions. They figure about 600 million years ago, the super-continent called Pangea broke apart and drifted slowly away from each other.

So, 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000


So, what happens to the situation when a massive asteroid smashes into the earth?


Obviously the Earth is totally fragmented and a rather neat ring of debris forms in what was originally Earth's orbit.


Actually, that's the leading theory on how we got our moon. :)


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13 May 2011, 8:20 pm

Philologos wrote:
Eh?

"600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000:"

Is there a point?

I know I sometimes post gobstoppers, but I try to make them somewhat accessible.

Yes, pavement cracks. In my experience it is more likely roots or subsidence or winter freeze upheval, but whatever. And as for continents I get the drift.

But 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000? If that is tying this in to some ill advised creation chronologies. are you sayiong the universe came into existence 600,000,000 years ago? Are you saying 6000 is a Creationist estimate on continental drift?


No, just that the earth is much older than 6,000 years old. Before Pangea, the seas were higher and the earth went through periodic ice ages, one even covered the entire planet in a layer of ice several hundred feet thick.


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13 May 2011, 8:25 pm

So you're presenting facts that the 6,000ers have already rejected as proof that they are wrong?


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13 May 2011, 8:26 pm

Well then, I will lay on you a question, which no true kmight will refuse to answer:

In what way is posting an estimated age fpr Pangaea political?

In what way is so informing us philosophical?

On what point of what theology does it shed any light?

My opening references the theme of the geas well known in folkloric studies.

Case you were interested.



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13 May 2011, 8:51 pm

just defending the argument that the earth is much older than 6,000 years old.


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13 May 2011, 10:10 pm

If a man holds a debate in the forest and there is nobody debating him, does he make a noise?

You are defending an argument that nobody is bothering to attack. [Bad use of argument, I should say]

Very impressive.

I will with equally impressive zeal for my cause, reckless of risk, announce that I am here to speak for the contention that when the Old Testament was first written down most of it was in unvocalized Hebrew.

There.



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13 May 2011, 10:16 pm

MasterJedi wrote:
billions of tons of dust block out the sun killing off nearly everything on the planet.

But, it created something nice. Something called the KT boundary. It's a thin layer of a rare element found mainly in asteroids and meteorites under which, dinosaur bones are found and above which, no dinosaur bones are found.

Actually dinosaur bones have been found above the iridium layer. The timing of that comet may or may not be relevant, but it wasn't as simple as "a comet wiped out the dinosaurs".



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13 May 2011, 10:18 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
So you're presenting facts that the 6,000ers have already rejected as proof that they are wrong?

It sure looks like he is, and he has had a little more than 599,999,999 years and a few days to observe the evidence and prepare such a great argument!

But actually, I think he is being serious and I see no reason to disagree ... and so, cheers to each of you! :cheers: 8) :cheers:


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14 May 2011, 12:45 am

Philologos wrote:
Eh?

"600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000:"

Is there a point?

I know I sometimes post gobstoppers, but I try to make them somewhat accessible.

Yes, pavement cracks. In my experience it is more likely roots or subsidence or winter freeze upheval, but whatever. And as for continents I get the drift.

But 600,000,000 years as opposed to 6,000? If that is tying this in to some ill advised creation chronologies. are you sayiong the universe came into existence 600,000,000 years ago? Are you saying 6000 is a Creationist estimate on continental drift?


Well-if you're a creationist how would you explain the fact that south america seems to fit africa? No continental drift? Its just a coincidence? Or did God put the pedal to the metal and move the continents 100,000 times faster than they move today to get them to their present position? Actually it would have to be 600,000 times faster than they move now because only about 1000 years elapsed between creation and the dawn of history. The continents seemed to have been in their present positions when written records started in Egypt and in Sumer in the the third millenium BC.



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14 May 2011, 12:57 am

psychohist wrote:
MasterJedi wrote:
billions of tons of dust block out the sun killing off nearly everything on the planet.

But, it created something nice. Something called the KT boundary. It's a thin layer of a rare element found mainly in asteroids and meteorites under which, dinosaur bones are found and above which, no dinosaur bones are found.

Actually dinosaur bones have been found above the iridium layer. The timing of that comet may or may not be relevant, but it wasn't as simple as "a comet wiped out the dinosaurs".


The Deccan Taps likely contributed as well... I think there was an ongoing gradual decline that put the life of that period at a tipping point where a cascading chain of events such as the major impact and the devastating impact winter following it really concluded this period of change rapidly. I have heard about the post-KT boundary fossils but I'm not certain that it means there were Dinosaur survivors. It could be that the fossils were moved upwards by different natural processes. Then there is naturally the very interesting theory that some Dinosaurs could have survived in small isolated areas. Though I don't necessarily mean the direct ancestors to Avians, but some of the more interesting ones such as the suggested findings of post KT fossils. Just out of curiosity do you have any links for post KT boundary fossils? I'm always interested in this kind of thing


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14 May 2011, 1:41 am

leejosepho wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
So you're presenting facts that the 6,000ers have already rejected as proof that they are wrong?

It sure looks like he is, and he has had a little more than 599,999,999 years and a few days to observe the evidence and prepare such a great argument!

But actually, I think he is being serious and I see no reason to disagree ... and so, cheers to each of you! :cheers: 8) :cheers:


Eh, I don't disagree with anything he's said. I was just trying to figure out the purpose of the thread.


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