When the riots begin

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/n ... 619110.stm

Check out what Mikey is saying. In many ways Michael Moore is a vanguard of the anti-corporatist and anti-capitalist movement having actually staged and filmed his own solo protests of Wall Street years ago when the American financial crisis first broke out. There are several things to note:

a) He is incoherent
b) He believes that capitalism is evil
c) He states that there is a lot more to come in the OWS movement
d) He has obliquely justified rough tactics

As Moore is an insider who is probably viewed as a hero figure by just about everyone in the incredibly diverse OWS movement, it would be wise to take what he says seriously. If OWS has a leader of spokesman, that would be Michael Moore.

So, Michael Moore is wrong = protesters are wrong. Ok.

http://projects.latimes.com/mexico-drug-war/#/its-a-war

I actually view events down south in Mexico as the most important drivers of America’s future. It is no accident for instance that the Iranians sought out the Zetas (a Mexican drug cartel) to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States. But my sympathy for Hispanics got the last thread deleted. So this topic is extremely sensitive. Nevertheless, a riot by some White punk nosed kids is going to be quite different from the expressions of discontent of the long oppressed Hispanic migrants.

Not sure what your point is when you post a link about Drug cartels in a thread about a peaceful civil disobedience movement, and then throw in migrant workers from Mexico to boot. They're pretty disparate groups of people, with very little linking one to the other.

This thread is not just about Occupy Wall Street but is really a wider discussion on the breakdown of social order in Western societies that have to make painful adjustments following the American and European financial crises. OWS is simply the latest spark on an already crowded canvas. As it is, numerous mass social disturbances have occurred in Europe that can be traced directly to their financial crisis. Although the riots in Europe are disruptive and annoying, they will pale in comparison to the violent disturbances that will grip America in the coming years. You may not want to acknowledge it, but the Mexican cartels are a major force in American politics. If you think, as the protesters of OWS or adherents to the Illuminati theory like to believe, that money purchases influence and corrupts politics, then the flow of drugs from Mexico into the United States ought to be of great importance to you because there is no other source of funds that is as limitless as it is dark.

So you're suggesting that Cartel money might be another source of influence on American politicans? I agree that it's possible - and, actually, that puts a slightly different light on the persistent illegality of pot.

I am not guessing.

The Attorney General knows. You do not suppose it is possible to accumulate trillions of dollars in ill gotten gains and somehow still go unnoticed?

Told you the Californians would be the first to cause trouble. The police have clashed with the deadbeats in Oakland and from the looks of it, there is more violence to come. Some people are looking to raise hell and force certain issues on the table. For better or for worse, the upheavals of 2011/12 will define America for decades to come.