09 Aug 2011, 10:58 am
09 Aug 2011, 1:59 pm
Dox47 wrote:
When are these damn riots beginning? These threads keep teasing me with the possibility, then nothing happens. Is there like an RSVP for these things, is it impolite to bring my own molotov cocktails, I means what's the etiquette here?
posted moments before violence blossomed over london.
this is all your fault!!
you jinxed us!
09 Aug 2011, 10:25 pm
10 Aug 2011, 1:08 am
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
Zeno wrote:
Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.
I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.
Conservatives see order and parsimony as a greater moral imperative than justice/fairness or the prevention of harm/suffering. This is why conservatives are so much more concerned with balanced budgets, "simplifying" or shrinking government programs, etc..., even at the expense of the downtrodden who might be up s**t creek without a paddle for no fault of their own. It's all about order, numbers, balance. Real people are only of secondary concern.
Okay, maybe conservatives don't get enjoyment out of suffering and injustice. It's more like conservatives simply have a massive blind spot. They don't see it, and when they do see it they find a way to blame the victim. Misfortune only happens to "irresponsible" people in the conservative mindset.
10 Aug 2011, 1:53 am
psych wrote:
posted moments before violence blossomed over london.
this is all your fault!!
you jinxed us!
this is all your fault!!
you jinxed us!
You can count on me to never even think about abusing this power...
Now when are these riots in America scheduled for? Especially the ones in Chicago, NYC, DC, and perhaps SF; I'd hate to miss out because I forgot to RSVP or something.
10 Aug 2011, 2:08 am
marshall wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
Zeno wrote:
Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.
I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.
Conservatives see order and parsimony as a greater moral imperative than justice/fairness or the prevention of harm/suffering. This is why conservatives are so much more concerned with balanced budgets, "simplifying" or shrinking government programs, etc..., even at the expense of the downtrodden who might be up sh** creek without a paddle for no fault of their own. It's all about order, numbers, balance. Real people are only of secondary concern.
Okay, maybe conservatives don't get enjoyment out of suffering and injustice. It's more like conservatives simply have a massive blind spot. They don't see it, and when they do see it they find a way to blame the victim. Misfortune only happens to "irresponsible" people in the conservative mindset.
We are against large government and have problems with entitlement programs for the simple reason that we think these entitlement programs does nothing more than make people dependent on Government.
10 Aug 2011, 2:46 am
Dox47 wrote:
psych wrote:
posted moments before violence blossomed over london.
this is all your fault!!
you jinxed us!
this is all your fault!!
you jinxed us!
You can count on me to never even think about abusing this power...
Now when are these riots in America scheduled for? Especially the ones in Chicago, NYC, DC, and perhaps SF; I'd hate to miss out because I forgot to RSVP or something.
Your timing was impeccable.
All of the cities you mentioned are likely to experience major disturbances. But are you sure you want to be there when it happens? Events in Britain might lead some to believe that these riots are an opportunity to engage in a free for all grab at all the stuff you ever wanted but could not afford to buy. That is in Britain though where gun ownership is against the law. In the United States, when the outbreaks happen, the looters will be packing serious heat. And if you get in their way, they will not hesitate to kill you.
10 Aug 2011, 2:59 am
Zeno wrote:
Your timing was impeccable. All of the cities you mentioned are likely to experience major disturbances. But are you sure you want to be there when it happens? Events in Britain might lead some to believe that these riots are an opportunity to engage in a free for all grab at all the stuff you ever wanted but could not afford to buy. That is in Britain though where gun ownership is against the law. In the United States, when the outbreaks happen, the looters will be packing serious heat. And if you get in their way, they will not hesitate to kill you.
All of the cities you mentioned are likely to experience major disturbances. But are you sure you want to be there when it happens? Events in Britain might lead some to believe that these riots are an opportunity to engage in a free for all grab at all the stuff you ever wanted but could not afford to buy. That is in Britain though where gun ownership is against the law. In the United States, when the outbreaks happen, the looters will be packing serious heat. And if you get in their way, they will not hesitate to kill you.First of all, I live on a small island outside Seattle and picked those places because I don't like their city leaders personally, though I wasn't really being serious there. Secondly, you do know that I'm a gunsmith, right? That I'm personally sitting on a small arsenal of firearms, ammunition, and the machinery required to make "modifications" to them, or even build new ones from scratch? I hate to get into ITG territory here, but I doubt the average gangbanger could find my island on a map, let alone catch a ferry here, and if they did manage to get here somehow and start trouble, I doubt it's the kind that 300 grains of suppressed lead at about 1000fps couldn't handle. Think something along the lines of a Delisle carbine, appropriately modernized of course, though I do have an AK, among other things, if I were to need it. I'm not even unique here either, someone tried their hand at home invasion robbery on the 4th of July, and got shot down in the street trying to carjack a getaway car after being chased out of the home. Remember that the armed thing cuts both ways.
10 Aug 2011, 5:10 am
10 Aug 2011, 9:03 am
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you do know that I'm a gunsmith, right? That I'm personally sitting on a small arsenal of firearms, ammunition, and the machinery required to make "modifications" to them, or even build new ones from scratch
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I live on a small island outside Seattle
Read you loud and clear. When the riots start, all WPers shall make for Dox47's safe haven.
10 Aug 2011, 7:39 pm
marshall wrote:
Raptor wrote:
marshall wrote:
Zeno wrote:
Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.
Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.
I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.
Conservatives see order and parsimony as a greater moral imperative than justice/fairness or the prevention of harm/suffering. This is why conservatives are so much more concerned with balanced budgets, "simplifying" or shrinking government programs, etc..., even at the expense of the downtrodden who might be up sh** creek without a paddle for no fault of their own. It's all about order, numbers, balance. Real people are only of secondary concern.
Okay, maybe conservatives don't get enjoyment out of suffering and injustice. It's more like conservatives simply have a massive blind spot. They don't see it, and when they do see it they find a way to blame the victim. Misfortune only happens to "irresponsible" people in the conservative mindset.
You can have a balanced budget and simplified government programs AND help the downtrodden at the same time. I don’t see how a balanced budget could hurt the downtrodden, anyway. Even in the best of economic times there are plenty of downtrodden and some (not all) of them won’t lift a finger to improve their lot even when they can. This is something YOU seem to be blind to.
I support and always will support maintaining a social safety net but not a social safety hammock.
Being on the dole for life is neither conductive to wellbeing or self-respect.
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