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22 Aug 2011, 3:53 pm

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So you punish the pilots and airmen who destroyed Pearl Habour (who were on orders, and had no say in the matter), by killing hundreds of thousands of CIVILLIANS and rendering two whole cities uninhabitable for generations to come.

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Civilians made the parts for Japanese airplanes. Since Japanese industry was dispersed to home locations (think of having a lathe in the living room) it was necessary to burn the Japanese towns and villages to the ground, which we did. I notice the Liberals never squawk about the firebombing of Tokyo (we took out 16 square miles in one night with a 400 plane raid). They only b***h and moan about the nukes. More people were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

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22 Aug 2011, 4:29 pm

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Some genocide. The Palestinian population is increasing rapidly (high birth rate) eventually the differential birth rate will be the end of Israel.

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Genocide doesn't presuppose an intention to wipe out a race altogether - it simply means killing a large group of people intentionally, which is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians.


Yes it does, since that is part of the definition of genocide.

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Genocide
Noun: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.


Yes, but more precisely, it is an attempt to systematically wipe out the entire race, ethnic group or nation.

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If Israel could get away with the absolute annihlation of the Palestinian people, they'd try it.


Prove it.



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22 Aug 2011, 4:34 pm

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If Israel could get away with the absolute annihlation of the Palestinian people, they'd try it.


If the Israelis were going to do it, they already would have. The Israelis have enough nukes to lay Gaza and the West Bank waste.

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22 Aug 2011, 4:37 pm

Israel was able to defeat the armies, navies, and air forces of several nations at once and thereby won an entire war in less than a week. If Israel really wanted to eliminate their troublesome neighbors, they could probably do it within a single day. Given that they constantly receive flak from almost every news outlet regardless of what is actually done, such an action would hardly even be noticed above the usual noise. However, even with this capability and relatively minimal increase in ambient venom from the media possible, Israel still hasn't done this and as such they demonstrate that it is not their will to do so either.



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22 Aug 2011, 4:45 pm

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Israel was able to defeat the armies, navies, and air forces of several nations at once and thereby won an entire war in less than a week. If Israel really wanted to eliminate their troublesome neighbors, they could probably do it within a single day. Given that they constantly receive flak from almost every news outlet regardless of what is actually done, such an action would hardly even be noticed above the usual noise. However, even with this capability and relatively minimal increase in ambient venom from the media possible, Israel still hasn't done this and as such they demonstrate that it is not their will to do so either.


Did you know that Israel is the only nation on earth that has to sue for peace after it has won a war?

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22 Aug 2011, 5:25 pm

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Yes. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a multitude of other crimes over in that area, were also genocide.


Not so. It was Payback for Pearl Harbor.

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So you punish the pilots and airmen who destroyed Pearl Habour (who were on orders, and had no say in the matter), by killing hundreds of thousands of CIVILLIANS and rendering two whole cities uninhabitable for generations to come.

Women in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in 2011, are still giving birth to deformed babies - that's not justice, it's criminality.

The interesting thing however, is that the Japanese take it all on the chin; they don't ask for billions of dollars in reparation like the Jews do for the so-called holocaust. They have honour.


Exactly, I don't understand how some Americans find the nuclear bombing of two cities of CIVILIANS as a retaliation of MILITARY losses they had at Pearl Harbour. Even the numbers of causalities are incomparable.

No wonder those same people are the same group who support Israel, they're both morally disgusting.


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22 Aug 2011, 5:36 pm

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Israel was able to defeat the armies, navies, and air forces of several nations at once and thereby won an entire war in less than a week. If Israel really wanted to eliminate their troublesome neighbors, they could probably do it within a single day. Given that they constantly receive flak from almost every news outlet regardless of what is actually done, such an action would hardly even be noticed above the usual noise. However, even with this capability and relatively minimal increase in ambient venom from the media possible, Israel still hasn't done this and as such they demonstrate that it is not their will to do so either.


Did you know that Israel is the only nation on earth that has to sue for peace after it has won a war?

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I didn't. But then again, the nations surrounding them hate peace and seek war at any cost, letting their media allies paint the aggressors as victims and compiling any sob story that could ever be contrived so long as their conclusion is the same as always. Israel seeks peace, their neighbors seek war. It would be interesting if the Romans had to put up with this crap how quickly the myriad legions would be sent to burn every city of the Philistines to the ground.



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22 Aug 2011, 5:40 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Shantih wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Shantih wrote:
Yes. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a multitude of other crimes over in that area, were also genocide.


Not so. It was Payback for Pearl Harbor.

ruveyn

So you punish the pilots and airmen who destroyed Pearl Habour (who were on orders, and had no say in the matter), by killing hundreds of thousands of CIVILLIANS and rendering two whole cities uninhabitable for generations to come.

Women in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in 2011, are still giving birth to deformed babies - that's not justice, it's criminality.

The interesting thing however, is that the Japanese take it all on the chin; they don't ask for billions of dollars in reparation like the Jews do for the so-called holocaust. They have honour.


Exactly, I don't understand how some Americans find the nuclear bombing of two cities of CIVILIANS as a retaliation of MILITARY losses they had at Pearl Harbour. Even the numbers of causalities are incomparable.

No wonder those same people are the same group who support Israel, they're both morally disgusting.


Have any idea how many civilians died in conventional warfare due to incendiary weapons? If it weren't for the use of the nuclear weapons, as a demonstration of how quickly Japan's Imperial Sun King could be turned to embers everyone in Japan would probably had died before the war was over. As it is, two towns were destroyed instead. It's still sucks, but it could have been a lot worse.



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22 Aug 2011, 5:49 pm

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Have any idea how many civilians died in conventional warfare due to incendiary weapons? If it weren't for the use of the nuclear weapons, as a demonstration of how quickly Japan's Imperial Sun King could be turned to embers everyone in Japan would probably had died before the war was over. As it is, two towns were destroyed instead. It's still sucks, but it could have been a lot worse.


And I think that was the point - that the Japanese were such psychotically-devoted fighters that they would never, ever have given up without the say-so of the monarch. The Allies would have had to brutally and bitterly fight their way through every last town and village in Japan. Hell, given the deranged devotion of the 'holdouts', would you want to come up against a hundred million of that lot?



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22 Aug 2011, 5:55 pm

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Yes. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a multitude of other crimes over in that area, were also genocide.

It wasn't genocide actually, the allies shaped Japan after the bombings rather than exterminating its inhabitants, but I'd say it was a massive murder.

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Not so. It was Payback for Pearl Harbor.

Evidence for that being the sole purpose, please?



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22 Aug 2011, 5:56 pm

You're very cute parakeet, according to you ,the Arab countries attacked Israel just because "they love war and hate peace" and not because Israel conducted Deir yassin masscre and other massacres that caused the Palestinian exodus, The British have witnessed the zionist terrorism and their ways, they've even tasted it.

lol are you a comedian?

Look, I am not a holocaust denier nor I am pro-war, but some historical facts remain facts.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:01 pm

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two towns were destroyed

You believe in Hell? Hiroshima: August 6th, 1945.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:04 pm

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You're very cute parakeet, according to you ,the Arab countries attacked Israel just because "they love war and hate peace" and not because Israel conducted Deir yassin masscre and other massacres that caused the Palestinian exodus, The British have witnessed the zionist terrorism and their ways, they've even tasted it.

lol are you a comedian?

Look, I am not a holocaust denier nor I am pro-war, but some historical facts remain fact.

Didn't you know? Israel is God's chosen people. :wink:



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22 Aug 2011, 6:22 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Shantih wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Shantih wrote:
Yes. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, along with a multitude of other crimes over in that area, were also genocide.


Not so. It was Payback for Pearl Harbor.

ruveyn

So you punish the pilots and airmen who destroyed Pearl Habour (who were on orders, and had no say in the matter), by killing hundreds of thousands of CIVILLIANS and rendering two whole cities uninhabitable for generations to come.

Women in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in 2011, are still giving birth to deformed babies - that's not justice, it's criminality.

The interesting thing however, is that the Japanese take it all on the chin; they don't ask for billions of dollars in reparation like the Jews do for the so-called holocaust. They have honour.


Exactly, I don't understand how some Americans find the nuclear bombing of two cities of CIVILIANS as a retaliation of MILITARY losses they had at Pearl Harbour. Even the numbers of causalities are incomparable.

No wonder those same people are the same group who support Israel, they're both morally disgusting.


Have any idea how many civilians died in conventional warfare due to incendiary weapons? If it weren't for the use of the nuclear weapons, as a demonstration of how quickly Japan's Imperial Sun King could be turned to embers everyone in Japan would probably had died before the war was over. As it is, two towns were destroyed instead. It's still sucks, but it could have been a lot worse.


So just because many civilians died in warfare here and there then that gives you the legimate right to nuke cities. Hmmm, how cute.

The nuclear bombs could have been used against japanese entire fleets/bases, and it would cripple still their morals anyways..

There was no justification of any form or shape to be used againt entire cities.



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22 Aug 2011, 6:27 pm

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There was no justification of any form or shape to be used againt entire cities.


And there was no justification for the dastardly attack on Pearl Harbor. Apparently two wrongs do make a Right. We won the Pacific war without invading Japan.

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