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19 Sep 2006, 4:12 pm

The problem with Theocracy Watch is it makes many claims, none of which it backs up.

For example, "Dozens of far-right Christian Fundamentalists have been quietly installed in key positions within the Department of Health and Human Services...", but it does not say who these people are, let alone give any evidence that they're Christian Fundamentalists.

...and that's the more reasonable part.

How about the part where they cite random pictures as evidence for this so-called theocracy?

Or, how about the Editorial written for Playboy cited as fact?



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19 Sep 2006, 7:37 pm

Trying to point out every one of them is like trying to name everyone who was in lets say, the crusades, or everyone who is in on NAZI Germany, that sounds absurd. You'd hafta have a list pf over possibly thousands of names. As for leaders it tells you plenty of them, many of are who are (and this is public knowledge with several of these people) in Bush's cabinet, either on the judiciary, defense, or legislative committees. Names like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Karl Rove, Tim LaHaye, Reverend D. James Kennedy... Dude you must not have read through this very carefully.



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19 Sep 2006, 8:09 pm

Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell are not on any sort of "committee". They're televangelists who get more press from the people complaining about a theocracy than they do from the so called religious right.

Pat Robertson was, in fact, responsible in part for forming the Christian voting block and assimilating it into the Republican party. But he killed his own political aspirations when he claimed to have been a combat marine (he was actually a secretary of sorts). This all happened during the Reagan/H.W. Bush years.

Falwell is a mere televangelist.

If I were you, the fundamentalist Christian I'd have been woried about would have been John Ashcroft, but he's gone, fortunately, and while I'm not a big fan of his replacement Alberto Gonzales, Gonzales isn't a fundamentalist.



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19 Sep 2006, 8:48 pm

I tend to agree with McJeff on this matter. Theocracy Watch definitely seems to overhype things towards its own political ends. We are not really close to a theocracy and to say such seems to be a falsehood, if anything, religion has been losing power in our government over the years(many of the 13 original colonies had theocratic tendencies and most of the religious right issues are the issues where they have lost ground in the past). By the way, Karl Rove is an agnostic and he was the only guy on that list that actually is involved in the government. Pointing out these people isn't absurd, you just don't have names and have this belief in conspiracies. Frankly, you will see people on the right who have the same crazy conspiracies about how the left is hijacking America and trying to change American values.



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20 Sep 2006, 2:21 pm

Initially there was a conspiracy of the religious right, and far enough up the ladder and beyond even our own government, there still is a conspiracy to take over the world. Plan A was Y2K during the Clinton administration, it failed because they under-estimated the peoples' ability to fix the problem on our own. Plan B was 9/11 and the plot of the religious right, it too is failing. Theyr factionlizing and splintering amoung themselves and hince theyr whole plan is falling to shambles. However one thing they are good at (perhaps due to political immunity and a higher force of protection) is covering their tracks.
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre3.html

Did you hear that? Pat Robertson now thinks Bush is "an unwitten agent of satan".

Now this is weird because earlier Pat Robertson resigned from his presidency over the Christian Coalition on Dec. 24, 2001 to allow the newly elected President Bush to become head of the new American Holy Christian Church.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism ... merica.htm

But reguardless of how the religious right framework is falling apart, they are in a state of power atleast psychologically. Alot of their followers do seem to think in a theocratic mindset, about prayer in schools, "under god" in the pledge of allegience, the 10 Commandments on the courthouse, ban on gay marriage..... Though likely I think they higher powers behind the curtains are gonna go to plan C next and if that doesn't work they'll go to plan D.... But the jesus nazi's are falling apart, this may likely have something to do with Ashcroft and maybe even rumsfedlt's current dispositions. I don't think the Bush's are giving up though, this is why GW got his brother jeb into the race.



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20 Sep 2006, 2:37 pm

the main thing is about the Bush's, they connected the religious right's leadership (or what remains of it) to the oil industry, and as long as we're out grabbing oil and gauging gas prices , they've got a constant supply of funding. It's almost like a reserve power unit they've hijacked into our economy.



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20 Sep 2006, 3:43 pm

"This confirms what other press reports have claimed -- that Karl Rove and Joseph Wilson attend the same church, reported to be an evangelical congregation in the Washington area. In a film interview, Wilson identified the congregation as an Episcopal church. The Washington Post cited the Huffington Post and attributed the following quote to Karl Rove: Joe Wilson and I attend the same church but Joe goes to the wacky mass."
http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=365



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20 Sep 2006, 4:19 pm

http://www.nndb.com/people/353/000022287/

Apparently there is a controversy about Karl's religion.... which is very interesting.



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20 Sep 2006, 6:21 pm

McJeff wrote:
Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell are
Idiots, you are welcome. :P