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29 Sep 2011, 6:44 pm

It looks like Al Gore isn't as green as he preaches to other people to be.

“Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.”

How much room do they need and why three houses?

“Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents. But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences.’

Hmmm……..

“For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film.”

Using a private jet instead of commercial airlines? Being a liberal you'd think he'd want to fly commercial in coach class so he can mingle with the proletariat, right? Not to mention the added environmental impact of a private jet flying when it doesn't need to be.

There’s more in the article but this is a good start and it’s not that long of an article.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

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29 Sep 2011, 6:46 pm

Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?



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29 Sep 2011, 6:54 pm

Obres wrote:
Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?


1. This isn't about Bush.
2. Since when do presidents take up arms themselves?
Unless, of course, your talking about GWB's time in the Texas ANG but did not serve in Vietnam.
Which branch of the armed forces did Barack Obama serve in again?
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29 Sep 2011, 7:09 pm

Raptor wrote:
Obres wrote:
Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?


1. This isn't about Bush.
2. Since when do presidents take up arms themselves?
Unless, of course, your talking about GWB's time in the Texas ANG but did not serve in Vietnam.
Which branch of the armed forces did Barack Obama serve in again?
:roll:


Bush did not even show up to the ANG :lol: not because Dan said he did not but because no one actually saw him do it.
Gore is a douche.


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29 Sep 2011, 7:09 pm

Raptor wrote:
Obres wrote:
Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?


1. This isn't about Bush.
2. Since when do presidents take up arms themselves?
Unless, of course, your talking about GWB's time in the Texas ANG but did not serve in Vietnam.
Which branch of the armed forces did Barack Obama serve in again?
:roll:


1 - Then it's not really about Gore either. The validity of an argument has nothing to do with whether one man acts on it, even if that's the guy who made the argument.

2 - Since the beginning of time leaders have been in the front of battle putting their asses on the line, and even barring that, most of the time throughout history if you started a war and ended up with nothing to show for it you got killed, either by the enemy or your own pissed off soldiers. The question is: when did it stop?



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29 Sep 2011, 7:24 pm

Obres wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Obres wrote:
Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?


1. This isn't about Bush.
2. Since when do presidents take up arms themselves?
Unless, of course, your talking about GWB's time in the Texas ANG but did not serve in Vietnam.
Which branch of the armed forces did Barack Obama serve in again?
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1 - Then it's not really about Gore either. The validity of an argument has nothing to do with whether one man acts on it, even if that's the guy who made the argument.


In this case Gore is a valid example of hypocracy.

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2 - Since the beginning of time leaders have been in the front of battle putting their asses on the line, and even barring that, most of the time throughout history if you started a war and ended up with nothing to show for it you got killed, either by the enemy or your own pissed off soldiers. The question is: when did it stop?


This is the 21st century, not biblical or medieval times.
You're grasping at straws.



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29 Sep 2011, 7:32 pm

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Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents. But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences.’



Gore is just waiting for delivery of those Miracle Water Batteries from Baby Green Bush Energy, Inc.

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29 Sep 2011, 7:36 pm

Raptor wrote:
Obres wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Obres wrote:
Bush started two wars and didn't go fight. What do you expect?


1. This isn't about Bush.
2. Since when do presidents take up arms themselves?
Unless, of course, your talking about GWB's time in the Texas ANG but did not serve in Vietnam.
Which branch of the armed forces did Barack Obama serve in again?
:roll:


Quote:
1 - Then it's not really about Gore either. The validity of an argument has nothing to do with whether one man acts on it, even if that's the guy who made the argument.


In this case Gore is a valid example of hypocracy.

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2 - Since the beginning of time leaders have been in the front of battle putting their asses on the line, and even barring that, most of the time throughout history if you started a war and ended up with nothing to show for it you got killed, either by the enemy or your own pissed off soldiers. The question is: when did it stop?


This is the 21st century, not biblical or medieval times.
You're grasping at straws.


What the hell is hypocracy
But yeah modern generals are a bunch of p*****s.


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29 Sep 2011, 8:51 pm

Al Gore is also not relevant.



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29 Sep 2011, 9:00 pm

Hey guys, so since Al Gore isn't green that entitles us to go non-green completely and sh*t on the world!

YAY!


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29 Sep 2011, 9:40 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Al Gore is also not relevant.


Hey, guys, Manbearpig is real, okay, guys. You listening guys? Hello?


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29 Sep 2011, 9:41 pm

Raptor wrote:
In this case Gore is a valid example of hypocracy.


Not really. It's a classic example of the tragedy of the commons. The best thing for everyone (both society as a whole, and for each individual) is if we developed alternative energy sources and everyone "went green". And the payoff will be greater the sooner we do so. However, in a situation such as this there's temptation for each person or institution to cut costs and/or work by being lax with pollution. But if a significant portion of the world does this, it ends up costing everyone more, including those reaping the financial benefits of not having to care about their pollution. So, while it's clear that green alternatives should be developed and everyone should use them, any individual acting in his own interest will not do so until this is enforced.

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This is the 21st century, not biblical or medieval times.
You're grasping at straws.


Saddam was executed, and he was the leader of an internationally recognized sovereign nation. So it still happens. But then again, he tried to kill Bush's daddy, so he had to die no matter how many poor young black men and rednecks it cost us.



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29 Sep 2011, 9:55 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Hey guys, so since Al Gore isn't green that entitles us to go non-green completely and sh*t on the world!

YAY!


Well at least you admit that he's not green so that's progress.
So that makes him either:
A) A hypocrite.
B) He's full if sh*t and knows it.

Take your pick.
I chose B, of course.



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29 Sep 2011, 10:05 pm

Hey was anyone a big Gore fan anyway?
Liberals are not so big on hero worship as the right so you might be barking up
the wrong tree. :lol: :lol:


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29 Sep 2011, 10:05 pm

Churchill and FDR oversaw rationing. I bet they ate well anyway. It was still a good idea.



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29 Sep 2011, 10:08 pm

Obres wrote:
Raptor wrote:
In this case Gore is a valid example of hypocracy.


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Not really. It's a classic example of the tragedy of the commons. The best thing for everyone (both society as a whole, and for each individual) is if we developed alternative energy sources and everyone "went green". And the payoff will be greater the sooner we do so. However, in a situation such as this there's temptation for each person or institution to cut costs and/or work by being lax with pollution. But if a significant portion of the world does this, it ends up costing everyone more, including those reaping the financial benefits of not having to care about their pollution. So, while it's clear that green alternatives should be developed and everyone should use them, any individual acting in his own interest will not do so until this is enforced.


Don't get your hopes up. The feeling I'm getting is that people are getting fed up with all this green BS all the time. Look at those outrageously goofy little green cars. Only the douchebags are buying them and even most of them refuse to. Get into a wreck with a full size pickup or SUV in one of those little go-carts and see how green you feel.
We're green enough as it is.

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This is the 21st century, not biblical or medieval times.
You're grasping at straws.


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Saddam was executed, and he was the leader of an internationally recognized sovereign nation. So it still happens. But then again, he tried to kill Bush's daddy, so he had to die no matter how many poor young black men and rednecks it cost us.


Whatever. :roll:
Your original point on this was the national leaders led in battle and I shot that down, obviously.
Sadam wasn't in any tank or attack helicopter, he was hiding in some hole like a rat.