I'm a liberal, but liberals don't like me!

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27 Apr 2012, 2:17 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

How do you get along with union workers?

How do you get along with Black Bloc-ers?

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27 Apr 2012, 2:25 pm

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Well I don't necessarily get along with all leftish-leaning people. I'm mainly thinking of the stereotypical artsy/bohemian hippy types. I have nothing against them personally, but I couldn't really live with one. I just can't deal with their messiness, clutter, and noise. I need a clean and peaceful space to retreat to.

I notice on those personality tests liberals supposedly score higher on "openness" while conservatives score higher on "conscientiousness". I score very high on both categories.

How do you get along with union workers?

You mean gruff, uncultured, beer guzzling, knuckle dragging proles (as Ruveyn would say).

J/K.

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27 Apr 2012, 2:43 pm

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You mean gruff, uncultured, beer guzzling, knuckle dragging proles (as Ruveyn would say).

J/K.

Groan...

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27 Apr 2012, 2:52 pm

The far left and I don't usually get along. The world is violent and I approve of proportionate violence in return. But the far right is made up of no thought trogs. I'm embarrassed for them and just try to bite my tongue. They don't really rate the time it takes to engage them.

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27 Apr 2012, 3:09 pm

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Speaking only for myself, my disdain for the most ardent leftists or rightists stems from their lack of intellectual honesty more than anything else.

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27 Apr 2012, 4:00 pm

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Good thing you don't live with me! My wife and I would drive you out of your head (unintentionally) in no time. :lol:

And that's not even mentioning my little daughter, who's a bohemian in training!

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27 Apr 2012, 4:19 pm

CoMF wrote:

Speaking only for myself, my disdain for the most ardent leftists or rightists stems from their lack of intellectual honesty more than anything else.

That sounds about right.

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27 Apr 2012, 4:22 pm

I've had other liberals express shock to learn I was one, they said I seemed so conventional - whatever that means. But I wouldn't say they don't like me. They just don't recognize me until the discussion is on politics. I'm not 100% liberal. There are a few things I'm more conservative about. But I mostly think of myself as a social democrat, and actually fairly progressive in my views.

I see capitalism in particular as a huge FAIL, except for a few wealthy people who have benefited greatly from the failures and poverty of others.

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27 Apr 2012, 4:28 pm

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I've long ago given up trying to disavow myself of ideological labels. If people want to label me I have no choice but to be a stinking "liberal". However, just because I arrived at many of the same conclusions as a certain politically identified group doesn't mean my opinions were not arrived at through independent thought.

I was mostly kidding there, I am married to a liberal after all, a self described radical feminist one at that!

My beef is with the partisans, the "my side right or wrong" people who never really question anything so long as it comes from or supports their chosen "side". My further beef is with the mass generalizations said partisans make, especially when they convey falsehoods about myself and/or people I know.

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27 Apr 2012, 4:59 pm

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I was mostly kidding there, I am married to a liberal after all, a self described radical feminist one at that!

That's nothing. My girlfriend of three years is a libertarian socialist who used to be really active in the NYC punk scene. Our conversations certainly help me to keep things in perspective.

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27 Apr 2012, 5:00 pm

CoMF wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

How do you get along with union workers?

How do you get along with Black Bloc-ers?

There have been no Black Bloc protests where I live, so I can't say.

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27 Apr 2012, 5:03 pm

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I've had the same problem, especially back in my college days. One class I took called Myth , Magic, And Ritual (which is just a jazzed up way to say Primitive Religions), where I was deemed the "class conservative," even though constantly was having to tell everyone that I was nothing of the sort. While in an Anthropology class, one guy who I had become friendly with, who was a self described conservative, had been surprised when I had told him I was a liberal. He had honestly thought I was conservative like him! It might have been because I have a tendency to walk ramrod straight, which had caused a friend in a history class to ask if I was former military. I am not.

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27 Apr 2012, 5:24 pm

marshall wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

marshall wrote:

Well I don't necessarily get along with all leftish-leaning people. I'm mainly thinking of the stereotypical artsy/bohemian hippy types. I have nothing against them personally, but I couldn't really live with one. I just can't deal with their messiness, clutter, and noise. I need a clean and peaceful space to retreat to.

I notice on those personality tests liberals supposedly score higher on "openness" while conservatives score higher on "conscientiousness". I score very high on both categories.

How do you get along with union workers?

You mean gruff, uncultured, beer guzzling, knuckle dragging proles (as Ruveyn would say).

J/K.

I would think anal-rententive bureaucrats score high on "conscientiousness", which demonstrates the mind-blowing socio-cultural transcending-ness of that group.

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27 Apr 2012, 8:10 pm

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Similar for me. Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters. Being a skeptical, tea-totalling, borderline obsessive-compulsive, controlling science student make me a bit unusual. I don't know much about the more radical left, but I suspect that the same issues would apply.

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27 Apr 2012, 8:23 pm

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Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters.

No matter which "team" you join, it is always the case that a lot of the people in the team are there for "the wrong reasons". When political organisations try to restrict themselves to people who are there for "the right reasons", they become incestuous and irrelevant. Sad but true.

If you're a leftie, you have to socialise with conspiracy theorists. If you're worried about Islam, you have to socialise with racists. If you're a greenie, you have to socialise with hippies. If you're an atheist, you have to socialise with hipsters.

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20 May 2012, 6:56 pm

Declension wrote:

AstroGeek wrote:

Although I very much support Green politics and its various national parties, I am rather turned off by the "new-age" aspects of the supporters.

No matter which "team" you join, it is always the case that a lot of the people in the team are there for "the wrong reasons". When political organisations try to restrict themselves to people who are there for "the right reasons", they become incestuous and irrelevant. Sad but true.

If you're a leftie, you have to socialise with conspiracy theorists. If you're worried about Islam, you have to socialise with racists. If you're a greenie, you have to socialise with hippies. If you're an atheist, you have to socialise with hipsters.

Brilliant. There are difficult, shallow people in every party and organization, and lots of 'em. Hard to find like minded people.

I don't know about the incestuous remark- what do you mean by that?

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