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Oodain
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it really does border on a parody,
as for how it becomes 46 when i only pay 36, sensible tax brackets, same goes for companies.
also, ever heard of averages?
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the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.
Likewise. cw10 buys the propaganda about socialized medicine. I have *never* had to wait 6 months for anything and the care I have received has been exemplary
6 month waiting lists happen in the UK (I'm on one), but that's only because our country is too p**** to be a proper social democratic one.
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as for how it becomes 46 when i only pay 36, sensible tax brackets, same goes for companies.
also, ever heard of averages?
I think your math is somewhat skewed. You may only pay 36%, but you alone aren't the majority of taxes collected.
If it's reported at 46% of GDP, then it's 46% of all revenues. Numbers don't lie.
If you're in the higher brackets, say for example your company makes 500k a year in profit, the moment you spend any of that on labor, materials, fuel for example, it's taxed. This decreases the available funds to hire new people, or expand the business. If the gov takes roughly half that, you won't be able to afford to hire as many people, so the standard of living is lowered over the average (hey there's that word) of the population. How does the government take it? When you pay your employees you withhold funds and pay the government. Instead of going to your employees, it funds the government, so a good percentage of your payroll is directly taxed. You run a company, you should understand these principles.
as for how it becomes 46 when i only pay 36, sensible tax brackets, same goes for companies.
also, ever heard of averages?
I think your math is somewhat skewed. You may only pay 36%, but you alone aren't the majority of taxes collected.
If it's reported at 46% of GDP, then it's 46% of all revenues. Numbers don't lie.
If you're in the higher brackets, say for example your company makes 500k a year in profit, the moment you spend any of that on labor, materials, fuel for example, it's taxed. This decreases the available funds to hire new people, or expand the business. If the gov takes roughly half that, you won't be able to afford to hire as many people, so the standard of living is lowered over the average (hey there's that word) of the population. How does the government take it? When you pay your employees you withhold funds and pay the government. Instead of going to your employees, it funds the government, so a good percentage of your payroll is directly taxed. You run a company, you should understand these principals.
Do you have any understanding of how taxes work?
If a government collects very little or no tax, standards of living will be TERRIBLE... no money for public libraries, roads, health care, education (whether you agree with those two or not, the fact remains that they lead to a higher quality of life), any kind of public service really.
Take a look at countries with extremely low tax rates. How about Somalia? No taxes at all! They must have a great quality of life, right?
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If a government collects very little or no tax, standards of living will be TERRIBLE... no money for public libraries, roads, health care, education (whether you agree with those two or not, the fact remains that they lead to a higher quality of life), any kind of public service really.
Take a look at countries with extremely low tax rates. How about Somalia? No taxes at all! They must have a great quality of life, right?
Somalia has no government at all. I'm not even sure how to argue that except that if you live there you'll probably pay with your life? That's a pretty high tax rate. And since your life is what you pay the government anyway, what's the difference? I see none.
My hair is a bird, your argument in invalid.
If a government collects very little or no tax, standards of living will be TERRIBLE... no money for public libraries, roads, health care, education (whether you agree with those two or not, the fact remains that they lead to a higher quality of life), any kind of public service really.
Take a look at countries with extremely low tax rates. How about Somalia? No taxes at all! They must have a great quality of life, right?
Somalia has no government at all. I'm not even sure how to argue that except that if you live there you'll probably pay with your life? That's a pretty high tax rate. And since your life is what you pay the government anyway, what's the difference? I see none.
My hair is a bird, your argument in invalid.
So basically you can use a strawman argument, and I can't.... interesting...
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A shot gun blast into the face of deceit
You'll gain your just reward.
We'll not rest until the purge is complete
You will reap what you've sown.
If a government collects very little or no tax, standards of living will be TERRIBLE... no money for public libraries, roads, health care, education (whether you agree with those two or not, the fact remains that they lead to a higher quality of life), any kind of public service really.
Take a look at countries with extremely low tax rates. How about Somalia? No taxes at all! They must have a great quality of life, right?
Somalia has no government at all. I'm not even sure how to argue that except that if you live there you'll probably pay with your life? That's a pretty high tax rate. And since your life is what you pay the government anyway, what's the difference? I see none.
My hair is a bird, your argument in invalid.
So basically you can use a strawman argument, and I can't.... interesting...
You can be stubborn all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
Oodain
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Location: in my own little tamarillo jungle,
it is ignorant ever to believe one has "all the facts"
and you dont understand how tax works, at all.
if i spend money in my company on, lets say a new desktop workstation or a car, then that, depending on circumstance is deductible.
and yes, some do pay more taxes, but the people that do have enough not to need anything more, even if they want kristal parties, kids on coke and a house worth the better part of 20 million dollars,
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the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.
Cost of living does not equal quality of life.
You say you live in the states, let's see where America places as far as quality of life goes...
Okay, the survey I found lists cities, not countries. The number 1 city is Vienna in Austria. The highest ranked American city is Honolulu in 29'th, the highest ranked mainland U.S. city is San Francisco, tied for 30'th with Paris.
Canada, Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand and Germany make up the top five.
The study also lists personal safety... America doesn't score in the top 50 at all. Canada, Sweden, The United Arab Emirates, Australia, Japan, and Germany all make appearances (among others).
What I am seeing here, is high tax countries scoring much better in quality of life as well as personal safety... this would appear to directly contradict your opinion.
My source:
2011 Quality Of Living Survey
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The latest economist rankings for livable cities are dominated by Australia and Canada.
1. Melbourne
2. Vienna
3. Vancouver
4. Toronto
5. Calgary
6. Sydney
7. Helsinki
8. Perth
9. Adelaide
10. Auckland.
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I agree, but whether a church is guilty (and the church has been guilty of it many times) or any other organisation, it is a terrible thing and that organisation loses whatever credibility they may have had in my mind.
Ralph Waldo Emerson. A wise man in many ways. A silly jackass in others. For both reasons, I rather like him. I would never quote a philosopher I wouldn't feel comfortable calling an idiot, wherever it were warranted. If you can't disagree with a man and still think he's brilliant, you are led by fools, and you will be led by them in crucifying the next sage.