Invader wrote:
You might as well say that a baby should have no rights because it doesn't compare to an adult human.
Nice slippery slope. Err wait. No, it is quite a lame slippery slope.
Everyone but the Catholic church agree that sperm and ovums are not people. If sperm and ovums are not people, it becomes very hard to believe a fertilized egg is.
What I am claiming (and based perfectly on logic, as you could see) is that.
* At time 0 of birth, we can be perfectly sure the thing does not deserve personhood.
* At time = 9 months we can all agree it does (ie: you are completely misusing your baby example).
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It is lame and impractical to believe there is a fixed time in which something that isn't a person suddenly becomes a person. Thus the frontier is fuzzy and not boolean. This is important, because everybody and his mom loves to say things like "life begins at conception" and "personhood begins at birth". But things simply don't work like that.
* As such, the best option is to encourage women into aborting as earlier as possible. IE: The morning-after pill. But after 3 weeks it is still fine. Heck, albeit not optimal, 4 months is fine too. But the reality is that "pro-life" dudes, pushing for laws that delay abortions are actually being quite anti-life. Forcing fetuses to get closer and closer to "kid" before being killed. Now THAT's inhumane.
Note: Babies do have fewer rights than adults.
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Apparently the fact that it is in the process of turning into one shouldn't matter, and apparently it's fine to interfere with that process just because someone was stupid enough to conceive a child that they didn't want.
Sperm are in the process of turning into human beings.
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If no one is ever made to take responsibility for their own stupidity,
Case #1: Rape.
Case #2: When a woman falls into an unwanted pregnancy, there are multiple ways to take responsibility. One of them is an abortion. Which is not a very comfortable procedure. So if your wish is for women that get pregnant to be punished. Abortion is enough.
AceOfSpades wrote:
thedaywalker wrote:
am i the only one who thinks trying to calculate personhood is kinda stupid?
You're in good company. You can't systemize and quantify something that is so subjective.
[Good company] is mutually exclusive with "can't grasp concepts". Fuzzy logic does not quantify solidly. It keeps matters subjective. (Duh!).
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