Aspergers and religious beliefs.
How does wanting something translate into belief in it?
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I could want a Ferrari but not believe I could have it. I expect you will agree. But here we really do get onto sticky ground. We can want things but not even be aware of the fact. We can have inbuilt needs for things we need not realise exist.
I have already agreed that there is no proof for God's existence. I am sure we both know how many years the best minds have been arguing that point to no conclusion.
I get in a near-orgasmic state eating burritos- maybe that's a "spiritual experience".
I wouldn't know this about drugs personally. I have read the claims, but it is well accepted.
ROFL.
The claim is yours- the effects of drugs are well-documented, and none of the research involves magical feeling
I wonder who writes this stuff. Again I am not sure that proof is possible. Maybe ask the indians who use the stuff.
Isn't it obvious that theology has nothing to do with science. Oh, good you got my drift. But don't scientists place the burden of proof on themselves. In Rutherford's time some scientists thought it was all just about complete. There was nothing else to be answered. How nice. Now it is becoming obvious science is only at the beginning of knowledge. Wheeler and Bohm tried to give answers, but they may be accused of having another agenda. They were both, I have read, Bhuddhists. So all the time we have scientists convinced they have found a theory to explain things, but it is later proved to be full of holes. Even scientists agree that the concept of a theory has limits. I think Bohm with the Implicate Order has come closer to explaining things. I don't feel the need to agree with everything he said though.
You are serious? Maya is the Hindu belief that all is illusion.
I think they're probably saying that if you want to make claims, you shouldn't get plucky when asked for evidence. That's my interpretation.
Philosophy was never my subject and I might well and truly lose my way discussing Russell.
Certain scientists are being very definite. Whilst they claim God does not exist there are, however, many thing they simply cannot explain. I give them full marks for trying. Perhaps you are aware of all the constants and math involved in the Universe. Did these things all just happen. If you believe in the Big Bang, then so do many believers. But a Big Bang that just happened to fall in place with rather less chance than a million monkeys typing a Shakespeare sonnet, or dare I say than me winning the lottery?
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So basically, you admit there is no evidence of a god, and then
confuse science's complete indifference to non-evidenced concepts with claims of non-existence:
make God of the Gaps arguments:
and presume a first cause:
I think I'm done here.
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How serious they wanted you to believe they believed in God... though I image that as into it as they get, alot of them have eaten their own poison and now actually believe their god is a god.
People pretend to be religious, you got that right. Now you just have figure out why.... so what do you think the reason is? It's genius, don't think of it as anything less, it is a pure strategy where everyone in society can be known and read like books for those who understand the system if creates. The system is alot like santa claus... it knows if you are sleeping, it knows if you are awake, it knows if you've been bad or good, and it strips from people their privacy. Never can they express and not be known. Music and movies, though I'm still getting alot of it wrong have definite meaning and artists speak a different language all in common with a given culture.
If you're not in the know about religion, give it up, you're being used.
How's that mental process work?
Interesting how this god only "reveals" herself to those who already believe.
Telling.
Nope, 'fraid "spiritual experience" isn't actually real. Absolutely nothing empirical evidences it
There's a great deal of evidence for things associated with spiritual experiences,
even the positive benefits of those things,
like meditation,
but then meditation can be done without all the "god" gookery.
Ooooh! Read my last post!
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OOoh got me!
I must secretly buh-lieb!
The whole of the world is ruled by the fantasies of people who do.
It's kind of relevant to our lives, dontcha think?
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OOoh got me!
I must secretly buh-lieb!
The whole of the world is ruled by the fantasies of people who do.
It's kind of relevant to our lives, dontcha think?
Not really if people have a certin faith and they follow it why would it concern people so much their are just as many atheists willing to kill religious people as their are religious people killing in the name of religion I try to have a civil debate about it but I always get attacked.
Religion is a personal part of my life I don't use it as a crutch either but it seems to me that all non believers think that all religious people are evil and bad dontcha think?
Yeah, I can't sit idly by while people are exposed to an existential nightmare living lives like they will live again forever when they will in fact just rot in the ground or go up in smoke. To be religious and not understand the religion you are practicing or to practice it in ignorance of what it really is too sad to allow. I must set the captives free, cuz Jesus is putting people through hell
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Tell us another one!
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Absolute statement alert!!
Tell us another one!
The atheists that are willing to kill the religious are almost always the ones who are forced and continually deceived into fairy tail beliefs who suddenly realize that they've been lied to on an epic scale. They don't live very long as atheists as a result of killing themselves next or in the process of killing others. So yeah, there are truely few atheists alive that do this, and those that do are usually a religious community's fault. Religion should be outlawed in such any community experiencing this IMO.
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