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Do you buy those brands?
Yes 50%  50%  [ 13 ]
No - they're racist 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No - I buy something cheaper 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
No - I don't like them 31%  31%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 26

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05 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Why not ArrantPanda


I think mine sounds better, and I don't think I can say 'PedoBear' directly to him for his mission to post as much soft-core porn all over the Adult Forum like in the GIF Thread.

Man, I don't even know why I should try to have serious, relevant, or meaningful discussion anymore on WP...


And I can't believe we're up to 7 pages already just talking about Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben, something most normal people would live their entire lives without even considering........ :roll:


I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the evolution of advertising. You can tell a lot about a society by its advertising. It can be something of a window into the psyche of the presented era


It's being made into a race thing when it would never occur to most normal people that those labels are meant to imply racism......

I would try to take you seriously, but you keep adding in your hidden insult.


That had not been my intent but if you're the type to get wrapped around the axle over something as inert as a product label then go ahead and be insulted.

I just think it is funny that you go into this thread saying that it is silly because it is talking about advertising. If you don't like the subject why post? Vigilans had an incisive reply about why it is interesting and you just say if you want to see a rabbit in that cloud of course you will see one.


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05 Jun 2012, 7:33 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Why not ArrantPanda


I think mine sounds better, and I don't think I can say 'PedoBear' directly to him for his mission to post as much soft-core porn all over the Adult Forum like in the GIF Thread.

Man, I don't even know why I should try to have serious, relevant, or meaningful discussion anymore on WP...


And I can't believe we're up to 7 pages already just talking about Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben, something most normal people would live their entire lives without even considering........ :roll:


I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the evolution of advertising. You can tell a lot about a society by its advertising. It can be something of a window into the psyche of the presented era


It's being made into a race thing when it would never occur to most normal people that those labels are meant to imply racism......

I would try to take you seriously, but you keep adding in your hidden insult.


That had not been my intent but if you're the type to get wrapped around the axle over something as inert as a product label then go ahead and be insulted.

I just think it is funny that you go into this thread saying that it is silly because it is talking about advertising. If you don't like the subject why post? Vigilans had an incisive reply about why it is interesting and you just say if you want to see a rabbit in that cloud of course you will see one.


whatever..........



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05 Jun 2012, 7:51 pm

Raptor wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Why not ArrantPanda


I think mine sounds better, and I don't think I can say 'PedoBear' directly to him for his mission to post as much soft-core porn all over the Adult Forum like in the GIF Thread.

Man, I don't even know why I should try to have serious, relevant, or meaningful discussion anymore on WP...


And I can't believe we're up to 7 pages already just talking about Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben, something most normal people would live their entire lives without even considering........ :roll:


I don't see anything wrong with analyzing the evolution of advertising. You can tell a lot about a society by its advertising. It can be something of a window into the psyche of the presented era


It's being made into a race thing when it would never occur to most normal people that those labels are meant to imply racism......

I would try to take you seriously, but you keep adding in your hidden insult.


That had not been my intent but if you're the type to get wrapped around the axle over something as inert as a product label then go ahead and be insulted.

I just think it is funny that you go into this thread saying that it is silly because it is talking about advertising. If you don't like the subject why post? Vigilans had an incisive reply about why it is interesting and you just say if you want to see a rabbit in that cloud of course you will see one.


whatever..........


If you disagree with the premise that these ads are racist, then you have every right to argue that point.

But if all you're going to do is complain that the discussion is pointless and stupid, then why engage in it at all?


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05 Jun 2012, 8:13 pm

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Or, perhaps intention is taken into account. There is between posting an image with the intent of mocking black people, and posting the same image with the intent of showing how black people have been treated by others.
Hmmmm...... :chin:
That is in fact about the top and tail of it - especially in PPR.
It's permissible to discuss racism in advertising therefore images as examples are inevitable at some point.

Now please stop derailing the thread - with this and other trollish chattering. It's becoming a nuisance.


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05 Jun 2012, 8:19 pm

The images on containers that many of you find objectionable are not primarily there to disparage races. They are there to promote the sale of the contents of the containers. Since the impulse is not racist per se, but commercial why accuse the people who design the containers and their markings of racism?

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05 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

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The images on containers that many of you find objectionable are not primarily there to disparage races. They are there to promote the sale of the contents of the containers. Since the impulse is not racist per se, but commercial why accuse the people who design the containers and their markings of racism?

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Because some people just can't pass up and opportunity to be offended, even on behalf of others...........



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05 Jun 2012, 8:30 pm

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The images on containers that many of you find objectionable are not primarily there to disparage races. They are there to promote the sale of the contents of the containers. Since the impulse is not racist per se, but commercial why accuse the people who design the containers and their markings of racism?

ruveyn


Because some people just can't pass up and opportunity to be offended, even on behalf of others...........


Who is offended?


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05 Jun 2012, 8:37 pm

Aunt Jemima's is the best. Only trumped by real maple syrup.

I tend to be lazy with cooking, but I don't Uncle Ben's now thanks to a rice cooker. I'd probably buy it if I didn't have one, though. Rice takes so long to cook...


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05 Jun 2012, 8:39 pm

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Who is offended?


You know that is a very good question. If some tobacco product vendor came out with "Sheeny-Kike" cigarettes, I would have been offended. Obviously I would not have bought the product and I would have bad mouthed it at ever opportunity. But still, the purpose of the brand name was to sell the tobacco products to anti-semites, not to insult me.

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05 Jun 2012, 8:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Who is offended?


You know that is a very good question. If some tobacco product vendor came out with "Sheeny-Kike" cigarettes, I would have been offended. Obviously I would not have bought the product and I would have bad mouthed it at ever opportunity. But still, the purpose of the brand name was to sell the tobacco products to anti-semites, not to insult me.

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If it came out in this day and age it would have been designed to offend, likely enough. I don't know if "k*e" was ever acceptable, but "n****r" and "Negro" were at some point, so when looking at advertising (or literature, for that matter) it is important to take the time period into account. Were the items at this time designed to offend, or to take advantage of literary (include film and television in this besides written work for sake of convenience) stereotypes considered familiar, amusing or trendy to those at the time, in order to boost sales? Remember that black-face comedy was pretty accepted for a long time. I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?


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05 Jun 2012, 9:29 pm

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I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?

They will probably accuse us of hypocrisy with all our "green" products, for one thing.



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05 Jun 2012, 10:01 pm

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. I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?


Why should most of us care? We will be dead by then.

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06 Jun 2012, 6:45 am

ruveyn wrote:
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. I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?


Why should most of us care? We will be dead by then.

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It is a purely academic interest


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06 Jun 2012, 2:03 pm

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...I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?


They would see that we are a silly people, with a sad and shallow culture.



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06 Jun 2012, 2:57 pm

shrox wrote:
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...I wonder what people will think when looking at our time's advertising and cultural slang 60 years from now?


They would see that we are a silly people, with a sad and shallow culture.


It is possible that things will be worse. Possibly, by then, the average 15-year-old will have a 50-inch waist measurement, and few people will even know how to read.



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07 Jun 2012, 3:17 am

IIRC, the photograph of "Uncle Ben" was actually the maitre'd at the restaurant where the brand name and logo were conceived.


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