Understanding Feminism (Women: Your opinions)

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Quick question, which men's movement are you a part of?

Nominalist; you keep talking about controlling for age. This is nonsense. All it means is ignoring those parts of the data that don't support your position. Besides which, even when you do control for age, the data still shows that men are the overwhelming majority of violent crime victims.

HereComesTheRain; wow dude, way to come in and prove my point about MRAs. I mean, seriously man, you're coming across as aggressively anti-woman here, rather than simply anti-feminist.

LKL; for real? Did you seriously just say that? Anyhow, the point still stands. Whatever the reason for it (and I'd argue that it has a lot to do with the way boys are conditioned from a young age to believe that their lives have less worth, and that their pain means less, than that of girls) the majority of violent crime victims are still men, which doesn't exactly support the idea that men are privileged.



Anyone else see how entirely unreasonable both sides of this argument have become? How neither can bring up a legitimate complaint without it turning into a "who's got it worse" pissing contest? This is why I do not associate myself with either. This is why I advocate abandoning both feminism and masculism.

""HereComesTheRain"]Your peer reviewed studies are correct, however, the premise you got from those peer reviewed studies is offensive and inaccurate. It's akin to saying "If a woman doesn't want to get beaten, she should avoid dating men who are poorer than her".

Hey, what I said is true. Women who date men from lesser socioeconomic levels do raped and beaten more often than women who stay within their own socioeconomic class.

But then if I said the following, I'd be accused of blaming the women for being victims. And you'd be right. It's because nobody asks to be a victim.

Therefore, you're a tool. Lemme guess, your ex boyfriend broke your heart and you act this way."


"Getting the ad-hominem off the table first, no: I'm still friends with all but two of my exes, and neither of those were very involved relationships; I'm currently dating a very nice man (NOT a "Nice Guy," but a good man).""

What's the female version of the Madonna-whore complex called again? Anybody?

"For the record, feminists tend to have pretty damn good sex lives and fulfilling relationships.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 102856.htm"

I think MRAs have large penises and can bound 400 foot buildings in a single bound!

In reality though, feminism doesn't foster fulfilling relationships. Quite the otherwise. Case in point, more men are "humping and dumping" and refusing marriage. The rate for marriage is at an all time low, and men aren't even bothering to "get the milk for free" anymore (grass eaters in Japan come to mind). We just buy it from the local vending machine when needed. Your study is complete bunk. After work, I'll grab you the statistics on marriage,

"Furthermore, I have a brother and a father whom I love and respect."


Good for you. Do they know you believe that men "ask" to be victims of robberies, assaults and murders?


"The difference between your analogy and mine is that women, at least, blame the actual source of the problem rather than deflecting onto some sort of cold-war-esque traditional enemy, like some old general still whining about the Commies. Feminists look at violence against women, GLBT people, people of color, the poor, etc, and say, 'Hey, we should end the system (the kyriarchy, by modern terms) wherein one party has so much more social capital than the other that they can basically do what they want with impunity, teach our kids not to hit each other, and work against poverty and class stratification.'
MRAs, on the other hand, look at men being the victims of violence, primarily at the hands of other men, and say, 'Those God-Damned feminists! they ruin everything!'

No, here's how us MRAs see the system: Violence is violence, no matter what party is committing the violence. It's unfair that one sector of society is punished more severely for the same crime than another sector of society. We also think that we're being viewed as wallets and warm bodies for wars rather than people. Your shaming language tactic aside, The difference between my analogy and your Vietnam war era protestor mentality is that mine actually is based on statistics and fact while yours is based on feeelungs.