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How about they get paid the same amount just that we buy shoes for 50 cents.

Not what i want, but that's better than nothing.lol.

Perhaps my comments last night were a bit heavy handed, Psychlone, but Democracy (although not perfect) is the best system there is. The trouble with libertarianism is that it gives way to anarchy and the total collapse of civilised society.

In a true libertarian society, people could do what they want. OK, sounds good. However, if I was starving and I could see someone who was very wealthy, I would steal. There is no reason why I should respect his wealth if I had nothing. Whats more is that according to true libertarianism, you couldn't stop me either. I could take what I damn well pleased and unless he had the physical strength to protect his property, I could and would - after all, I was hungry. There would be no law and order or police force because that is dictatorial and military rule, which opposes the philosophy of libertarianism.

Eventually, rich people would have their own private armies and bully weaker people into submission and perhaps force them to work for them. There would be no State to stop this, no recognised government, just ruthless anarchy.

Doesn't sound so rosy anymore, does it???

RobertN, you are confusing Libertarianism with Anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-Capitalism proposes an end to all government, but Libertarian Capitalism proposes a minimalist government which would still provide a police force and a military for defense and law and order, as well as other basic services. I am not an anarchist and I don't advocate abolishing the state, but I do want to see it in chains so that it doesn't put its citizens in chains.

Libertarianism also opposes the use of force and fraud. So if corporations are using slave labor or cheating people, I as a Libertarian would be very much opposed to that and that is where I see some government as being necessary.

Now, there is also left-wing libertarianism and anarchism which might appeal to some of you better. They propose abolishing both the state and private property. Instead of nationalizing property, they propose having communal ownership of property. Some say they are the real Marxists.

<i>"In a true libertarian society, people could do what they want. OK, sounds good. However, if I was starving and I could see someone who was very wealthy, I would steal. There is no reason why I should respect his wealth if I had nothing. Whats more is that according to true libertarianism, you couldn't stop me either. I could take what I dam* well pleased and unless he had the physical strength to protect his property, I could and would - after all, I was hungry. There would be no law and order or police force because that is dictatorial and military rule, which opposes the philosophy of libertarianism.

Eventually, rich people would have their own private armies and bully weaker people into submission and perhaps force them to work for them. There would be no State to stop this, no recognised government, just ruthless anarchy. "</i>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune

The Paris Commune existed for a few months, but nation-states eventually tore it down. An Anarchist system would have a very hard time existing, because it's in the interest of all nation states to not allow such an arangement. Might give people ideas.

Superweird said
"REAL Communism has never been applied"

So RIGHT it never has it just had Dictatorships.

All types of government do income leveling. They're called taxes. A taxation system within a democratic government doesn't sound that odd to me.

I think you're playing the definition game. You're giving your own, subjective definition of what Communism is. I could just as easily give my own definition of what communism is. At that point we'd bicker needlessly, so I'll skip that part.