Why ignore these facts about Obama's birth certificate?

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If you are not a Democrat you won't like what Obama has done. Hillary, my choice for candidate, would have pursued very similar policies and they would have hated her too. As they did in the 90s. No question about that. At the end of the day he accomplished more than Clinton's first term. Taxes are still low but the economy has not magically healed. Economists say that at we'll see another 2% drop in unemployment over the next four years.

If you value the success of the United States you'd better hope that the Democrats aren't as obstructionist during the next Republican administration as Republicans have been this time. Else government will continue to be totally paralyzed. If that becomes the new normal then we are in trouble.

Even if the 'birthers' are right, what do they propose to do about it?

Back when Reagan was president, the Democrats proved to be good losers, and put the good of the country ahead of ambitions for retaking the White House.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I'm not so sure. I think if we had a white guy with a Slavic name and a foreign father and a youth spent traveling around Eastern Europe, there would be similar questions raised. I'm not denying that there is a racial component to birtherism, as their definitely is, but rather contesting the idea that it's the only component. IMHO birtherism isn't even the worst presidential conspiracy theory in recent memory, plenty of people thought W was behind 9/11 or that Clinton was having people whacked left and right, it's pretty common with polarizing figures.

*rubs hands together*

I'm not "most people", and my grievances with Obama are largely things he's done unilaterally, not things he's failed to deliver on because of congressional obstruction. Democratic partisans might buy into that smokescreen (actually, there's no "might" about it), that it's all the stubborn Republicans' fault, but look at what he's done without any help or hindrance from them:

• Assassinated American citizens without trial or oversight
• Initiated the largest war on whistleblowers in US history
• Expanded our conflicts world wide through increasing use of drones
• Signed indefinite detention into law
• Launched federal crackdowns on state medical marijuana
• Expanded every aspect of W's executive power overreach

I could add a lot more, that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't like his economic theories, but I'm not blaming him for the bad economy. I will blame him for the sorry excuse for a healthcare bill he passed, as he did have a congressional supermajority at the time and could have passed whatever he wanted. I don't like congress either, but that does not make my issues with this president any less legitimate.

So to reiterate, he's either a really sh***y president, or a foreign born imposter playing a really sh***y president, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference from where I'm standing.

So, that's worked out so well for us that there's no reason at all to try and change it? "Everyone's doing it" is a sufficient rationalization for you to continue a destructive behavior?

Until a third party can legitimately prove to be a contender for the White House, the two party system is the only game in town. And the simple fact is, if the third party were either liberal or conservative, it would only serve to split the vote with the like minded party, allowing the opposing party to skate into victory.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Birthers really need to get a life. Of course they won't until Obama is out of office.........But if you don't like Obama then vote for Romney. If Romney doesn't win, suck it up for the next 4 years and get your sh*t together. Even if he wasn't born in the US, there aint a damn thing your hillbilly asses can do about it, kids!



And no, I don't particularly like Obama either.

I will vote for him again, despite this list? Why? Because the things that I think are the worst part of his presidency are on this list and are where he is in unfortunate agreement with the Republican party. He isn't a stealth Kenyan or a stealth socialist. He's a stealth Republican. But since he is nominally a Democrat, that keeps him from going even farther to the right. A Republican president would have done everything on that list and more. So I will vote for him not because I agree with any of the actions on that list, but because I fear a Republican president would go even farther.

To Romney's credit, he seems rather more moderate than the rest of his party. Maybe if in office he would move as much to the left as Obama moved to the right but I'm certainly not going to count on that and vote for him because it looks like his party is pushing him to the right just as hard as possible.

Just sayin that you were asking whether or not the powers at be "care about the issue" when the logical question would be "do I, Sweetleaf, care about this issue?"

I'm not so sure of that. Are you familiar with the "only Nixon could have gone to China" theory of politics? I think we've been seeing it lately; only W could have signed Medicare Part D, and only Obama could have signed assassination orders.

Ever read Catch-22?

I have not, I'm afraid, but as I had seen a documentary on the novel, I understand the term.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There may be an opportunity for a third party if they have the right candidate. A pre-implosion Ross Perot had that kind of energy. No one since. Without that kind of figure it's just p*ssing in the wind. A personality will have to break through.

FYI ... America does not have a two-party system. At last count, there were over 30 active and registered political parties that could be represented on an American ballot. It is the fact that most of these parties represent too little of the electorate to make much difference in an election that gives people the impression that America has a two-party system. These parties are:

• America First Party
• American Party
• American Populist Party
• American Third Position Party
• Americans Elect
• America's Party
• Christian Liberty Party
• Citizens Party of the United States
• Communist Party of the United States of America
• Constitution Party
• Democratic Party
• Freedom Socialist Party
• Green Party
• Independence Party of America
• Independent American Party
• Jefferson Republican Party
• Justice Party
• Labor Party
• Libertarian Party
• Modern Whig Party
• National Socialist Movement
• Objectivist Party
• Party for Socialism and Liberation
• Peace and Freedom Party
• Prohibition Party
• Raza Unida Party
• Reform Party of the United States of America
• Republican Party
• Socialist Action
• Socialist Alternative
• Socialist Equality Party
• Socialist Party USA
• Socialist Workers Party
• United States Marijuana Party
• United States Pacifist Party
• United States Pirate Party
• Unity Party of America
• Workers World Party

This list does not include independents (no political affiliation) as a political party.

SOURCE

NOTE: This list does not include literally hundreds of regional and local parties that spring up sporadically, only to fade away after an election.

Because you have a non-racial axe to grind?