Are the Muslims really the biggest threat . . .

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I'd say ask the Libyan Ambassador from the US, oh wait, he just got killed by enraged islamists. On the other hand, if followers of Islam want to convince the rest of the world that "Islam is a religion of peace" not killing people, rioting and otherwise reacting with violence every time someone says something negative about Islam is a good start.

Also, it becomes very hard to argue that "attacking "moderate" muslims because of what the extremists do" is wrong, when people who had nothing to do with cartoons or movies get murdered in cold blood. It becomes a bit like Dox arguing that guns are bad when his basement makes Burt Gummer's look like Al Gore's.

Yup I was and how wonderful that you and I can carry on a conversation, get offended at one another because of what we say and still not feel the need to murder people. It is almost civilised....



I don't give a crap about your geopolitical beliefs or views, I personally am of the opinion that Blair lied to parliament and the people of Britain about WMD, falsified evidence and should be extradited to the Hague as a war criminal. I don't feel the need to do a Breivik on the Labour Party youth wing because of my displeasure at the actions of this politician.



For someone who is so ill informed you certainly seem to be very sure of statements, unfortunately you are again completely and utterly wrong. The pastor you are referring to has absolutely nothing to do with this video and speculation about the identity of the person making this film has been rife in the mainstream press. Do you have some secret source of evidence and knowledge about this video that nobody else knows or are you just making up any old rubbish, claiming that it is absolute truth and hoping you won't get called out?

I also happen to fully support the right of any person to criticise, insult or ridicule any religion as much as they want, it is a non-negotiable difference between a liberal secular society and totalitarian theocracy.

Should I also go to prison?

What about Galileo, he shocked and offended the catholic church to the core, death sentence for him or just a lifetime prison sentence and gagging order?

What about Darwin, surely he must but be worse than Galileo as 150 years later idiot christians are still offended by his work and choose instead to create an alternative universe for themselves completely outside of reality so they can pretend he was wrong.

I guess we should burn all schoolbooks as well because people might be offended by the truth and we should all just stick to the bible to answer all questions.


So you do admit that you were pulling those statements out of your ass with absolutely no evidence



So tell me why is it that christians get hundreds of times more abuse and ridicule about religion and never murder people because of it but even the incorrect suggestion that the prophet may have been insulted is enough to push muslims into acts of random murder and terrorism?

Pathetic bunch of brainwashed psychos and you are defending them, nice morals.



So you make up a bunch of lies about people being murdered for burning american flags or bibles and then defend murders and terrorists because it's not their fault they murder people, they are the poor persecuted victims here.

I'd say you are spot on about doing more harm than good!

That's the thing - if they did have faith, it wouldn't be tested by people questioning it peacefully.

The fact that they kill people who "insult" it just shows what violent, dangerous, insecure, hateful fanatics they really are.

I'm not sure why I bother, I'm not a particularly good debater and ignorant hateful people will be ignorant hateful people no matter what.

PS. Christians not going around murdering people in the name of god for any reason that passed their fancy that day is a rather new concept, only a few hundred years old and they still slip back into it every now and then.

And where in anything I have said in this thread do you pull 'ignorant and hateful' from.

You are the one lying completely in the thread, you are the one completely ignorant of the murder of the US ambassador and obsessing about a flag and you are the one that is defending murder of innocent people using your hatred of the US.

Congratulations on having the decency to admit that you could find no evidence to support position for extra points would you care to change your views or are you going to demonstrate that ignorant hateful liars will be ignorant hateful liars no matter what even after they have admitted they were wrong?

I'm sure there's many Christians who'd be more than happy to give you an early exit if you burned a bible in front of them.

Of course, Capitalism and The Market is/are the most pernicious religion, and pose the biggest threat. They have the call to prayer at least every half hour on the rolling news, reading out obscure names and numbers, after which theologians are invited to discern the meaning therein. They are actively killed for, and lives are sacrificed so capital can flow. There's even an invisible hand, for f**k's sake.

It does seem to be more the action of a system that is closer to fascism or Stalinism than something that is compatible with modern secular democratic values doesn't it?

The Ayn Rand cult is more dangerous. Not only do they celebrate terrorism but their influence risks destroying the economy.

If anarcho capitalism was ever realised it would be a thousand times bleaker than anything experienced under the darkest days of Hitler, Stalin, Mao or the Kim Dynasty combined.

Imagine a society without legally protected workers rights where even the most basic amenities and dependencies of life are subject to price and private ownership.

Thats the sort of society that advocates of 'pure' capitalism want to bring about. My favourite cultural depiction is the game 'bioshock', which is a pure capitalist society without government. In it the society has torn itself apart because the wealthy have become lazy, inhumane and indolent while the dispossesed working class was eroded, stunted and pushed to the fringes.

I don't know if I would rather live under sharia law than some hyper-capitalist dystopia.

If I got to be male, I'd choose sharia law.

our own senate has stated that christianity is a bigger threat to america and the world at large than muslims so no.

To be honest its a tough call to make but if we're brutally honest with ourselves here and ask ourselves the question who has the biggest stake in global power, the islamic clerics or the western lassez faire economic league of bankers, plutocrats and ideologues then really it is a no brainer.

Some say the Jews are the biggest threat but we all know this is false.No religious group is a threat its the fanatics that impose their religion on others who forse others to convert or die

Nonsense.

ruveyn

I don't know about terrorism but they sure seem to be into pirates right now.
especially that horsesass Peter Leeson.

Any religion or ideology that resorts to censorship or violence when criticized is absolutely a threat, and also ridiculous.