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20 Oct 2012, 7:27 am

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Well I just consider Sherman's acts to be dishonorable. The property was not military, he burned civilian homes.


This really wasn't the first time that wars were fought this way. The wars against the Native Americans were worse, as was the Philippine-American war.

At least be thankful that you weren't carried away in chains, as the Romans did to the rebellious Jews.

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Compared to the way the Rebels treated Maryland and Pennsylvania, it's really interesting..


The rebels were still hoping to get Maryland to join their cause. Completely trashing the state wasn't going to persuade anyone.



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20 Oct 2012, 8:35 am

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I can't disagree that his methods were effective. History is written by the victors as well.


And yet, for years and years, Sherman had been regarded as a monster in history books in both the north and south, with little regard to his military genius.

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W. T. Sherman begat Arthiur (Bomber) Harris and Curtis LeMay.

Sherman produced the first modern example of Total War. Not only attack the enemy's army, but attack his means of support and supply, the civilian population and their productive assets. He reckoned that thoroughly disrupting the civilians would break their will to fight against the United States.

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20 Oct 2012, 8:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
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I can't disagree that his methods were effective. History is written by the victors as well.


And yet, for years and years, Sherman had been regarded as a monster in history books in both the north and south, with little regard to his military genius.

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That's what I was meaning to refer to. The man was an intelligent general. There were several others that were just as good or better in the very same war, however. Stonewall Jackson was an excellent general.


Sure, Stonewall was a great general - just not bullet proof.

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Jackson was most likely an aspie.


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20 Oct 2012, 8:59 am

Sherman Avenue is one of Chicago's main throughfares.

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Here is a statue of Gen. Sherman in Washington, D.C.

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And, in New York City's Central Park

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One of the odd things a Northerner notices right away, when driving, for example, into Virginia, is the highways named after Jefferson Davis and Robert Lee.



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20 Oct 2012, 10:43 am

We lived in DC for a year back when I was 22. I wish I knew then that the Sherman statue was there. I was young and stupid enough to egg it. :lol:


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20 Oct 2012, 11:14 am

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One of the odd things a Northerner notices right away, when driving, for example, into Virginia, is the highways named after Jefferson Davis and Robert Lee.

Nothing odd about and I seriously doubt anyone pays much mind to it one way or the other. Up north they have the Lincoln Highway.
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20 Oct 2012, 12:21 pm

In Spokane, we have streets named for Union Civil War generals such as McClellan, Howard, Grant, and Sherman. Of those four, two have a connection to the Northwest - McClellan had been in charge of military surveys here prior to the war, while Howard had fought the Nez Pierce after the war.

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20 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm

On a light note,there is a really good pie named for Jeff Davis.We should all eat pie and be happy.And I make the BEST sweet potato pie ever.It's so good it should be used in peace negotiations.Most people are happy after a good slice of pie and a hot cup of coffee.Let them eat pie. :lol:



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20 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm

Did the flag call someone the "n-word?"

I am somewhat on the fence about this issue. On one hand, it can have a racist connotation due to the history of the Confederacy and the treatment of African-Americans/black people/people with melanin-influenced pigmentation in the South. On the other hand, it is a symbol utilized by historical societies, reenactors, country and rock music ans as an identifier with some in the South ("Dixie Pride"). Though not exactly akin to the abuse of the Swastika by the Nazi party, there are some parallels that can be made. It is not inherantly racist to wear or display a Swastika, but in certain contexts, it becomes a racist symbol. I personally would not display either the Rebel flag or the Nazi flag because I do not identify as a white supremacist or supporter of neo-Nazis, a Southerner, redneck, Civil War reenactor, country or rock musician and consequently would not wish to cause confusion. In the end, I believe it depends on your reasons for displaying the flag.



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20 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm

In black neighborhoods in Birmingham there are a lot of Martin Luther King streets. I don't recall any Robert E Lee streets in Birmingham, but there was a Robert E Lee grammar school, which ironically was in the black neighborhood and 90% black.

Here where I live now, streets are named after land features. Bear Creek Road, Dry Hollow Road, Deer Creek, etc. Also some streets are named for the people who developed the area.


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20 Oct 2012, 2:21 pm

It looks like there is a movement to rename schools named after Confederate leaders

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0122/p01s03-ussc.html



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20 Oct 2012, 5:54 pm

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It looks like there is a movement to rename schools named after Confederate leaders

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0122/p01s03-ussc.html


Now, I definitely can see good reason to remove Nathan Bedford Forest's name from a predominately black school, as he was the founder of the Klan and all.

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20 Oct 2012, 6:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
It looks like there is a movement to rename schools named after Confederate leaders

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0122/p01s03-ussc.html


Now, I definitely can see good reason to remove Nathan Bedford Forest's name from a predominately black school, as he was the founder of the Klan and all.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

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High schools are named for Forrest in Chapel Hill, Tennessee, and Jacksonville, Florida. On November 3, 2008 the Duval County School Board voted 5-2 against changing the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest High School in Jacksonville. The two votes for changing the name were cast by the Board's only black members. The school was named for Forrest in 1959 at the urging of the Daughters of the Confederacy because they were upset about the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. At the time the school was all white, but now more than half the student body is black. Leaders in other localities have tried to remove or eliminate Forrest monuments, with mixed success.



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20 Oct 2012, 7:53 pm

In Little Rock a school is named after David o. Dodd,he was only 17 and hung as a spy.It's a really sad story and no matter what side he was on the poor boy deserves something.He was just a kid,I'm attaching no blame to anyone,it's just,well an ancient problem,children getting caught up in the atrocities of war.



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24 Feb 2013, 12:52 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L90Cw_7cKjA[/youtube]



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24 Feb 2013, 4:52 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L90Cw_7cKjA[/youtube]


Is there any evidence that the locals in this cracker Alabama town had faced down MLK? I have to wonder if that was just some local BS that they convinced themselves had happened.
I know it's popular in certain circles to say that racism is exaggerated by touchy blacks, but obviously, such race discrimination is alive and well, and there's no way that can be denied.

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