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03 Oct 2012, 5:49 pm

You do not understand,
I did not say the act was noble,
I said she was noble.

She gave her life for all of US here.
Yes, it was not very logickal
and yes it was -mass- murder.
But she has done it knowing she was going to die too..
And IMO worse dead-
Short drop
The short drop is performed by placing the condemned prisoner on the back of a cart, horse, or other vehicle, with the noose around the neck. The object is then moved away, leaving the person dangling from the rope. The condemned prisoner dies of strangulation, which typically takes between ten and twenty minutes
Before 1850, it was the main method.[citation needed] A ladder was also commonly used with the condemned being forced to ascend, after which the noose was tied and the ladder pulled away or turned (hence the colloquial slang for hanging "to be turned off"), leaving the condemned hanging. Another method involves using a stool, which the condemned is required to stand on, being kicked away..
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It was her 22 Bday when he has commited the murder,
she was truly very young.


If she would have killed someone I love,
I would be very pissed off.
That is human nature.

However she did not, and I can see the act from another perspective,
a bit more objective, maybe.

So, I do not applaud the act,
but I honor her somehow innocent, naive and brave heart.



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03 Oct 2012, 6:05 pm

Issit wrote:
You do not understand,
I did not say the act was noble,
I said she was noble.

She gave her life for all of US here.
Yes, it was not very logickal
and yes it was -mass- murder.
But she has done it knowing she was going to die too..
And IMO worse dead-
Short drop
The short drop is performed by placing the condemned prisoner on the back of a cart, horse, or other vehicle, with the noose around the neck. The object is then moved away, leaving the person dangling from the rope. The condemned prisoner dies of strangulation, which typically takes between ten and twenty minutes
Before 1850, it was the main method.[citation needed] A ladder was also commonly used with the condemned being forced to ascend, after which the noose was tied and the ladder pulled away or turned (hence the colloquial slang for hanging "to be turned off"), leaving the condemned hanging. Another method involves using a stool, which the condemned is required to stand on, being kicked away..
WIKI

It was her 22 Bday when he has commited the murder,
she was truly very young.


If she would have killed someone I love,
I would be very pissed off.
That is human nature.

However she did not, and I can see the act from another perspective,
a bit more objective, maybe.

So, I do not applaud the act,
but I honor her somehow innocent, naive and brave heart.


She was a female Cho- the virginia tech killer.

Talking about the guy who gunned down 32 people on that campus.

His diaries were filled rants about how he was bullied or ignored and nobody would help him.

It seems to me that Olga and Cho were virtually the same-same crime-same motivation.

He was around the same "innocent" age-maybe younger-as well.

So, was the Virginia Tech Killer also "noble"?



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03 Oct 2012, 6:24 pm

Issit wrote:
So, I do not applaud the act,
but I honor her somehow innocent, naive and brave heart.


Anybody who plans a murder isn't innocent.

Anybody who plans a murder isn't naive.

Anybody who mows down people with a truck isn't brave.



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03 Oct 2012, 11:38 pm

Now I'm nervous,my nose looks kinda like hers,uh-oh.
Maybe if she had been born later she could have got counseling,and medication and would not have chosen the route she took.

"force from force must always flow,the despots rage,the tyrants blow."

I'm not sure what poet that was but I think that Ghandi said"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Violence just breeds more violence,we need to break the cycle or were doomed to repeat it forever.



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04 Oct 2012, 2:35 am

Ok, Virginia Tech Masacre guy.
I read an article about him now and, ok, he was bullied, but there is not much other overlap.
He killed himself.

He did not stand in front of the whole country and the judge,
talking for others as himself and let himself be murdered.

As I have already written,
When judge asked Olga if she would have done it again,
all she had to say was NO.
And she would have lived.
Instead, she said :
If you can promise me that you (people) will stop bullying (destroying) the weak members of society, I will promise you I would not.++

Olga also killed much less people,
she just wanted to make her point very clear.

Also those other terrorists in question attacked -basically- children,
she did not, all the people who died were older.
Though when they asked her if she would have stopped seeing a child there she answered- no.
She said children were just as cruel as the rest of the society.
(which I myself know to be true too)
However, the truth is, she could have attacked kids and did not.
She could have continued killing and she did not.
Again, she just made her desperate point.

Now, I do not see why killing people excludes being brave.
Look at the movie Brave Heart.
All the viewers who watch the film define the hero as brave,
yet all he does the whole time is murdering people.
Well yes, he organised it.
but that does not change the facts.

Think of other people seen as brave..usually soldiers.
What did they do? Kill.
Give me a break.

Quote:
Anybody who plans a murder isn't innocent.

Anybody who plans a murder isn't naive.

Anybody who mows down people with a truck isn't brave.

Anybody who gives own life to save millions of others that are continuously being injured by others is brave.

Anybody who believes that a few deaths including own will change the world is naive.

Anybody who sacrifices own life for others is innocent.




With that said,
unorganised fighting back of a minority will always be seen as a terrorist attack,
and will not be heard,
unfortunatelly not even by those who were meant to be protected by that.

I do not know the solution,
to the whole burning problem,
but as this thread is about her, I do hope and believe God comforts her now, and heals her wounds.


++(EDIT: Anyway, when I think about it now, it is interesting that this part is usually omitted from articles about her.
Seems to me somehow, they want to make sure her message and her inner strenght will be forgotten.)



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05 Oct 2012, 1:55 pm

Read up on her at Wiki.

Kinda what I expected.

She IS much like Cho.

The only difference is that she went for suicide-by-police, or suicide-by-judge rather than simple suicide.

Dont really see what the fact that chose to die means when she was obviously suicidal to begin with-she described her self as suicidal herself.

But I suppose that apologoists for suicide bombers in the middeast would go along with your reasoning.