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The only indigo people I know of.
But it it makes you feel better about yourself it certainly isn't hurting anyone.

As long as they don't start using their self-proclaimed status as an excuse for rude, unhealthy, or violent behavior, then I suppose you may have a point.

kookoo kachoo?

if con is the opposite of pro, does that mean congress is the opposite of progress?

what is "reality" exactly? We all experience our own reality.

"Starseeds" and "Indigo Children" sound like characters in a sci-fi based porno movie........

Reality is that which can be objectified and repeatedly demonstrated to exist and behave in a consistent and ordered way outside of our own personal experience. The difference is like that between the "reality" of ephemeral dreams / hallucinations and measurable external reality.

Even in hallucinations, there is an objective dimension that's repeatable. Archaeologists and psychologists studying cave paintings, western psychedelic research, and aboriginal myths, shamanistic initiation rights, etc. have found an undeniable consistency. There's what's called entopic phenomena and therianthropic creatures that come up repeatedly in altered states of consciousness, whether its our record of them from 20,000 year old cave paintings or reports from psychedelic test subjects from the 1960's.

There's even an undeniable consistency in dream content from person to person, and even mythology from culture to culture. Of course, different people are going to have different spin on the same theme (like the names and symbols and language they use to interpret it), but that even goes for objective, physical world. We all can look at the world and be in agreement on about 99% of it, but because of our different points of view that are inherent within subjective experience, were all going to have varying takes on what the objective world is exactly.

All human brains are essentially alike, and will have similar responses to hallucinogenic chemicals, anoxia, illness, and mental disorders.

Thus, it is understandable that there is some form of consistency to myths related to altered brain states, and there is also no reason to believe that this is evidence of an altered reality.

Well, yah, of course. ...but it is evidence of an altered reality, and the reality being perceived is precisely that, the same sense information we normally take in but interpreted in an altered way from what is typical. The fact that our similar neurology enables us to see the same things in these states doesn't disprove an objective element to altered consciousness. It actually reinforces it.

No, it is evidence of altered subjective perception. Objective reality remains the same; only the mind of the hallucinating person is affected.


Never confuse subjective perception with objective reality; the former is merely an internal interpretation of sensory experience, while the latter is the measurable realm of physical activity.


The only objective conclusions that can be reached regarding altered consciousness are (1) Perception is distorted; (2) Mentation is disrupted; (3) Memory is re-written; and therefore, (4) Reports of an alternate reality are unreliable.

Objective reality is mostly a cultural construct though that ultimately stems back to a foundation of subjective experience. Whatever this objective reality is on its own, we don't really know for sure what it is in its absolute. It could be that the hallucinating individual is perceiving objective reality on a different spectrum from the narrow perspective that it is usually perceived by humans.

The fact Shamans all seem so see similar phenomena lends credibility to it. I mean, if people accross space and time reported seeing or experiencing similar things in any mundane scenario, like their experiences with hunting or collecting water, we'd use this as a basis for constructing an objective model. However, when a bunch of people, across different epochs report encountering therianthropic entities and entopic phenomena in a trance state, then some arbitrary rule happens to be made by modern man for ruling this out for our consensus model of things. You said it has solely to do with similarity in brains, but I could argue similarity in camera structure for why different lense filters give similar effects on different cameras.

There's no proof that memory is re-written, as if old information was erased and replaced with new info. What's more likely happening is that memory is forming in patterns that are alien to how it is usually formed. Its just a different way of assembling or interpreting the same sense data coming in from the objective sphere.

A shamanistic experience could be a lot like looking through a kaleidoscope. The light waves hitting the apparatus are no different from the light waves hitting the eye. Its just they're assembled into a perceptual image that is peculiar to the usual parabolic image that the eye creates. (Interestingly, Isaac Newton perturbed the shape of his eye by pressing on it to understand how light works) Perhaps Shamanistic experiences are valuable in that they are different ways of filtering sensory information. Just as we find out a lot of new, nifty information through spectrometers, microscopes, and telescopes from filtering visible light in different ways, maybe Shamanistic trances will prove valuable for filtering sensory information in different ways.

If someone is a starseed, then they should probably go find a star-egg to fertilize.

Well that would be earth then

You were not talking, you were typing. And there is enough evidence - your very text. Ocam's razor tells me that you typed it.

If your "empowering personal narrative" is based on BS, that's a recipe for disaster.

It is a matter of assumptions. The concepts of indigos, starseeds, and crystal children are based on the assumption that some members of the population originated in another world or galaxy. In other words, they are spiritual, not scientific, concepts.