Maoist Genocide Denial

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The Cultural Revolution was not as pervasive and as murderous as people make it out to be. Moreover, unlike Stalin, Mao did not dispose of his party rivals. It's been said that had Bukharin, for example, been not executed, he could have been a Deng Xiaoping in post-Stalin USSR.

Essentially, it's accepted that the Party was not pleased with the way the Great Leap Forward went, and Mao's party rivals eclipsed him during the 1960s, returning to more of the ways of the First Five Year Plan, that being the Stalin-Soviet inspired centralised model. The Cultural Revolution was Mao's power play, so to speak, using students and disgruntled people in general to attack the Party and his rivals but these rivals were usually made to work in factories. Liu Shaoqi did die in prison but the circumstances are murky. There were no Moscow Trials and executions. Incidentally, the Cultural Revolution was cited as justification for the Tiananmen Square Massacre; that is, Deng Xiaoping and company saw the students as being similar to the Red Guards of the Cultural Revolution period and that the protests were motivated in part by the inequalities resulting from the repudiation of aspects of Maoism. Health care under Mao for most was far better than it was in the periods following it. It's only now under Hu Jintao that they're trying to restore the level of service for the rural poor that existed under Mao.

Last edited by xenon13 on 14 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Ask a Tibetan about Mao.

Last time I checked, Mao currently holds the prestigious title of being the greatest mass murderer in the history of mankind.

*barely suppresses urge to post gifs of Orson Welles and The Joker clapping*

I found this site which even considers the possibility that even the higher estimates of the number of deaths due to Mao's regime may be under-reported, as the effects of the Great Famine during the Great Leap Forward were largely unknown in the West until 1980.

http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

Several of the authors on the site are the same ones used on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap ... nsequences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai#History

The site also has a nice comparison with other genocides. Considering that Mao was apparently responsible for some 40 million deaths (some of the higher estimates even puts the Mao Regime above the total death toll in World War II, BTW ) and WWII resulted in 60+ million deaths divided between several warring nations, he is pretty much the big bad.

Side note: Those who think that biodiversity is just about "tree hugging" should read this article about a particular aspect of the Great Leap of Blind Faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

On IFC they had a short film called " Human Remains " with quotes from Mao and others like him.It's very disturbing.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOEI_IM1vk[/youtube]

Health Improvement under Mao and Its Implications for Contemporary Aging in China

This paper is described thus...

I am sure the Aryan population would have grown quite substantially as well if the Third Reich had won WWII.

Racism, religious sectarianism and other forms of prejudice borne of congenital factors, become the ultimate crime when used as the motive for systematic murder, yes.

Now, I'm no fan of Mao, and never have been, but repeated citations of numbers are little more than a sanctimonius and emotive strawman to steer to argument one way.

Saying that mass murder is worse than genocide is like saying someone who has raped a thousand people is worse than a person who has killed one person.

Last edited by thomas81 on 14 Nov 2012, 5:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Either all genocide denial is acceptable or no genocide denial is acceptable. Freedom of speech is for everyone—and even though only anti-semitic as*holes deny the Holocaust (just like only die hard commies deny various communist genocide), they still have the right to voice their opinion.

With that being said, Stalin, Mao, or Lenin was no better than Hitler. The only difference is that Hitler attacked Western-Europe and his allies in Japan attacked Pearl Harbour (after the US cut the oil supplies).

Which genocides were communists involved in?

Hint: Mass murder =/= genocide.

No, the people are just as dead, and just as unjustly. Whether a person is killed because Hitler didn't like their race, or killed by Mao as clogs in the machine on way to some higher cause, , or by Stalin for speaking out against the communist party, they are just as dead. And none are worse than the other.

Again, wrong, because we are comparing murder to murder here, and similar numbers.

Look up a place called Ukraine.

A good place to start would be the genocide of cossacks, which was one of the first things Lenin ever did as a dictator. If that's not enough, then Holodomor or the Great Leap Forward are grade A examples.

You're referring to the holodomor i take it. Unlike Hitler's holocaust, the death of 7 million Ukrainians was not a premeditated intention on the part of Stalin. It happened because Ukrainian seperatists wanted to leave the Soviet Union. Not that I agree with Stalin or how he handled it, it is not analogous to what happened to European Jews under nazi occupied Europe.

Moreover last time i checked, Ukrainian was not an ethnicity.

Cossacks, one of Russia's better known ethnicities. Right.

For the nth time no races were targeted under Mao's china.

I think you still havent understood what the word 'genocide' means.

I told you there would be constant apologists on here . Yes, it was premeditated. Russians saw Ukrainians as inferior people, and as a distinct ethnic group. It was punishment for resisting them.