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14 Nov 2012, 9:41 am

Would be the "doctors" who refused to terminate this woman's pregnancy:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/fro ... 75203.html


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14 Nov 2012, 10:16 am

I thought doctors took an oath to do no harm.
That poor woman and her family,to lay there and suffer like that.If the child was already in the process of being expelled I can't see why they didn't terminate the pregnancy.
What were they waiting for,a miracle?



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14 Nov 2012, 10:29 am

This has no relevance to the abortion debate.



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14 Nov 2012, 10:38 am

Jacoby wrote:
This has no relevance to the abortion debate.


It is very relevant. Even if the fetus was viable, the life of the mother still takes precedence. And seeing that it wasn't, I can only say one thing... WTF were they thinking! Had there been a proper doctor there who didn't think that an unviable fetus heartbeat was more important than a woman's life, she wouldn't have died.


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14 Nov 2012, 10:53 am

Shatbat wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
This has no relevance to the abortion debate.


It is very relevant. Even if the fetus was viable, the life of the mother still takes precedence. And seeing that it wasn't, I can only say one thing... WTF were they thinking! Had there been a proper doctor there who didn't think that an unviable fetus heartbeat was more important than a woman's life, she wouldn't have died.


Seems like it was an issue with the doctor rather than policy. I don't think the majority of pro-life people are against abortion in all circumstance, most are reasonable. Just an inordinate amount of attention is paid attention to fringe religious folk.



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14 Nov 2012, 11:21 am

Another case where a person's religious beliefs were given more consideration than common sense.


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14 Nov 2012, 11:26 am

A doctor is not pledged to treat. He is pledged to do no harm. If a doctor does not want to treat someone that someone will have to find another doctor who will treat.

Any other arrangement makes the doctor a slave. His forced service would constitute involuntary servitude which is illegal (in the U.S.) under the 13 th Amendment.

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14 Nov 2012, 11:46 am

Jacoby wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
This has no relevance to the abortion debate.


It is very relevant. Even if the fetus was viable, the life of the mother still takes precedence. And seeing that it wasn't, I can only say one thing... WTF were they thinking! Had there been a proper doctor there who didn't think that an unviable fetus heartbeat was more important than a woman's life, she wouldn't have died.


Seems like it was an issue with the doctor rather than policy. I don't think the majority of pro-life people are against abortion in all circumstance, most are reasonable. Just an inordinate amount of attention is paid attention to fringe religious folk.


Fair enough. It does show the extremes a pro-life stance can be taken though


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14 Nov 2012, 11:52 am

Ireland is a bit of a dicey country when it comes to abortion. The Irish become health tourists to the UK. particularly Wales & NI, a lot of the time.



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14 Nov 2012, 12:00 pm

Almighty_CRJ wrote:
Ireland is a bit of a dicey country when it comes to abortion. The Irish become health tourists to the UK. particularly Wales & NI, a lot of the time.


If they get to leave the country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X



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14 Nov 2012, 12:28 pm

The hospital was certainly responsible for this woman's death. The insistence that they couldn't provide a life saving abortion because they are a Catholic country is the worst sort of legalism.

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14 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm

This also would violate the right to contract to become a an abortionist and sell your labor. Outlawing abortion also creates deadweight loss. Also by not having an aborition you are increasing class sizes in schools so abortion could have a positive externality that way.



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14 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm

The Catholic church likes to keep it's coffers full,you will need lots of little Catholics in the future to insure that the gravy train never runs dry.The "Papa" needs a new Pope mobile.



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14 Nov 2012, 1:56 pm

More blood on the Churches' altar.



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14 Nov 2012, 1:57 pm

If labor was induced would the baby have lived? What about a c-section?



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14 Nov 2012, 1:59 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
If labor was induced would the baby have lived?


Although I'm of the opinion that the life of the mother takes precedence anyway, this specific fetus had zero survival chance.


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