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Are we slaves to money?
Yes 76%  76%  [ 31 ]
No 24%  24%  [ 10 ]
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14 Nov 2012, 5:23 pm

I've always considered myself fiscally conservative and still do, but recently, with my inability to find a job added to the fact that America is a workaholic nation, are we really slaves to the almighty dollar?

One common sentiment is that under communism, you are a complete slave to the government, and I agree. But no one seems to question capitalism. I believe capitalism is the most free compared to socialism and communism, but many conservatives treat as a system without flaws.

A hundred years ago, people obviously still earned and spent money, but it wasn't the required object that it is today. People bartered and traded all the time. Not to mention that when you owned a piece of land, you kept it after paying it off. No property taxes, and no income tax on what you earned. So, in theory, a person back then who owned land and animals only needed money to acquire the basic items from the town store.

Not everyone had access to these commodities, but there wasn't a general push to earn big money and college wasn't a required path to attain a good wage.

Since then, I think society has become very materialistic, and because of this, we now have two groups of people who are affected. First, we have created a group who are constantly one-upping everyone else, and who are obsessed with their "social status." Second, we have a group of people who have no desire to be rich, but are constantly told from day one that they need to grow up to an expensive university that they can't afford in the first place, just to hopefully get a higher chance of attaining a well-paying job, which is used as a way to impress others, as seen in group one. Group two are the people who reject this, but are still subjected to the system. If people refuse to go to college due to cost, they instantly are not taken as seriously by employers as would someone who obtained a degree. If they don't care about impressing others, it might cause depression and a lower chance of success in the corporate world, which revolves around "faux professionalism."

Is this the kind of system that money has created for us? It sure seems so. We may not be under communism, but we sure are slaves to money and the system that it's created.



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14 Nov 2012, 5:28 pm

All mammals are greedy... and since money are a more liquid asset than food, gasoline or furniture, money will always exist.

While living like the smurfs (the second phase of communism) is a tempting life style, the 10% who do not join the 90% will most likely seize to opportunity and exploit the system.



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14 Nov 2012, 5:31 pm

Money is just a form of exchange. It seems like asking if we are slaves to money is like asking if we are slaves to acquiring resources for survival.

I do think that debt is a form of slavery. Maybe indentured servitude would be a better term.



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14 Nov 2012, 5:51 pm

If you have enough money, you'll likely answer no. But not having enough makes one realize just how much we need it. When the rent or mortgage and utility bills and grocery bills add up to more than you have, you definitely feel enslaved.



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14 Nov 2012, 5:56 pm

Yes, and no.

We are slaves to the system of which money is the life blood.

Money is a antiquated measure of value that his since been turned into a means to validate scarcity and the biased distribution of resources to the few.

An alternative is possible and even necessary, unfortunately the benefactors of the money system have such a stranglehold over peoples awareness and ideas i do not know if a breakthrough is possible.



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14 Nov 2012, 7:45 pm

If you have a major credit card you are a slave.



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14 Nov 2012, 8:22 pm

We are a slave to anything that does not allow us to have a little time each week to rest from it, to reflect on the more meaningful things on life, and to spend a day or days devoted just to the people closest to you in your life. You should be allowed to disconnect for a little bit each from everything you are currently enslaved to.

Be it money, video games, women, going out, career, your passions, etc.


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14 Nov 2012, 9:01 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
We are a slave to anything that does not allow us to have a little time each week to rest from it, to reflect on the more meaningful things on life, and to spend a day or days devoted just to the people closest to you in your life. You should be allowed to disconnect for a little bit each from everything you are currently enslaved to.

Be it money, video games, women, going out, career, your passions, etc.


Some people rest by playing video games, going out, or having sex with women.

Seems to be a very abstract way of defining how time is spent in a non-slavish way.

I think it was Bob Dylan who said something to the effect of : "A free man is one who gets up in the morning, goes to bed in the evening and in between does what he wants"



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14 Nov 2012, 10:35 pm

It's hard to get by without living on credit. I don't think this makes me a slave to the money though. I just accept that I will always be in debt.


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15 Nov 2012, 10:34 am

Are we slaves to money? No. But money is still necessary for production and commerce. We have gone beyond the simple nuts and berry economies and money is the only way to manage the combinatorial complexities of trade and production.

Unfortunately there is a class of people who have made money the primary reality, rather than the activities of production and trade that underly money.

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15 Nov 2012, 10:46 am

No matter how much one may deny it, we are all slaves to money (money stones count too).
Think about it: if you're ill, you likely need some form of treatment and that will cost money (if you don't pay for it, someone is still paying for it). You need to eat/drink and food/drink costs money. If you have a well, somewhere along the line, money had been paid to find a suitable location and dig the well. If you own a garden, the tools to till the soil and the seeds cost money, as does any fertilizer (even if one didn't pay for manure, food produced it, which costs money). If one drives, the vehicle, maintenance and fuel all cost money. If you wear clothes, that too cost money. If you have a home, that costs money. Pets, infrastructure, education, heating/cooling, ovens, children, livestock, gifts, computers, Internet access all costs money, even if you personally didn't contribute to purchasing these things.



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15 Nov 2012, 11:47 am

Noodlebug wrote:
Since then, I think society has become very materialistic, and because of this, we now have two groups of people who are affected. First, we have created a group who are constantly one-upping everyone else, and who are obsessed with their "social status." Second, we have a group of people who have no desire to be rich, but are constantly told from day one that they need to grow up to an expensive university that they can't afford in the first place, just to hopefully get a higher chance of attaining a well-paying job, which is used as a way to impress others, as seen in group one. Group two are the people who reject this, but are still subjected to the system. If people refuse to go to college due to cost, they instantly are not taken as seriously by employers as would someone who obtained a degree. If they don't care about impressing others, it might cause depression and a lower chance of success in the corporate world, which revolves around "faux professionalism."

The point of a career should be to aim to do something you actually enjoy and get paid at the same time. Unfortunately you can't eliminate the uninspiring jobs most people hate. This means not everyone gets a job they actually enjoy. It would help though if the people forced to have jobs they hate weren't simultaneously described as deserving their lot for being lower on the social totem.



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15 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm

adb wrote:
Money is just a form of exchange. It seems like asking if we are slaves to money is like asking if we are slaves to acquiring resources for survival.

I do think that debt is a form of slavery. Maybe indentured servitude would be a better term.


But for many people its not about survival anymore, but just about social status or being the alpha chimp. Real food, needed cloths, medidine aid, these are all part of survival.

But 90% of our stores are filled up with useless s**t, which we try to aqquire because we are told if not, we would be not worth anything/the underling chimp. So we are not slaves to money, but slaves to these lies, as long as we obey them.



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16 Nov 2012, 3:09 am

CyborgUprising wrote:
No matter how much one may deny it, we are all slaves to money (money stones count too).
Think about it: if you're ill, you likely need some form of treatment and that will cost money (if you don't pay for it, someone is still paying for it). You need to eat/drink and food/drink costs money. If you have a well, somewhere along the line, money had been paid to find a suitable location and dig the well. If you own a garden, the tools to till the soil and the seeds cost money, as does any fertilizer (even if one didn't pay for manure, food produced it, which costs money). If one drives, the vehicle, maintenance and fuel all cost money. If you wear clothes, that too cost money. If you have a home, that costs money. Pets, infrastructure, education, heating/cooling, ovens, children, livestock, gifts, computers, Internet access all costs money, even if you personally didn't contribute to purchasing these things.


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16 Nov 2012, 7:20 am

Yep but thats corporate capitalism for ya.


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16 Nov 2012, 9:03 am

More like slavery by consent.


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