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25 Nov 2012, 3:11 pm

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Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


Or maybe they like the idea of smaller government, lower taxes, and the social beliefs of the Republican platform? Not everyone blindly follows along to the same drumbeat. Of course, I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.

If they expect smaller government and lower taxes from the party that authored the Patriot Act, created Homeland Security, and started a war that cost trillions, they're deluding themselves. Yeah, keep those taxes low and borrow all that money - we'll laugh our country all the way to the poorhouse, and line our own pockets while we're at it. Who cares about the voter, once the election is over? Who cares about the future? NOW WE HAVE A MANDATE. That was the cry of the Bush administration for 8 years while it spent like a drunken sailor, and it's the cry of GOP members of Congress now. They don't care about the country, only themselves and their rich donors. I can't say the Democrats in office are much better, but to blame big government and taxation on the Democrats alone is just wrong.


C'mon dudette, read. It's painfully obvious that both parties are basically the same, but harp on each other viciously to appeal to their base. The GOP is done for, but if those disenfranchised in the party swap to the Libertarian Party, maybe some real change can occur. Then I'd feel more confident about the upcoming revolution.

(Can't tell if you were just highlighting my points. Usually expect negative feedback. Sorry if that's the case).



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25 Nov 2012, 3:42 pm

Seabass wrote:
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Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


Or maybe they like the idea of smaller government, lower taxes, and the social beliefs of the Republican platform? Not everyone blindly follows along to the same drumbeat. Of course, I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.

If they expect smaller government and lower taxes from the party that authored the Patriot Act, created Homeland Security, and started a war that cost trillions, they're deluding themselves. Yeah, keep those taxes low and borrow all that money - we'll laugh our country all the way to the poorhouse, and line our own pockets while we're at it. Who cares about the voter, once the election is over? Who cares about the future? NOW WE HAVE A MANDATE. That was the cry of the Bush administration for 8 years while it spent like a drunken sailor, and it's the cry of GOP members of Congress now. They don't care about the country, only themselves and their rich donors. I can't say the Democrats in office are much better, but to blame big government and taxation on the Democrats alone is just wrong.


C'mon dudette, read. It's painfully obvious that both parties are basically the same, but harp on each other viciously to appeal to their base. The GOP is done for, but if those disenfranchised in the party swap to the Libertarian Party, maybe some real change can occur. Then I'd feel more confident about the upcoming revolution.

(Can't tell if you were just highlighting my points. Usually expect negative feedback. Sorry if that's the case).

Yes, agreeing with you, actually. Sorry if I seemed overly strident. Too much coffee today perhaps. ;-/



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25 Nov 2012, 6:38 pm

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They could have pulled a Rule 34 on Little Debbie, on 4chan, with a Ding Dong, and it would be all over the web. They know nothing of Social Media.

People think the past was crazy, but I give you, The Future!


Rule 35. :P


Rule 34, Little Debbie face down on a cupcake, being done by the Pillsbury Dough Boy, is on the web, as a photo of a Tattoo. Also as a porn star name, and another meaning for Cream Pie.



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25 Nov 2012, 9:17 pm

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They could have pulled a Rule 34 on Little Debbie, on 4chan, with a Ding Dong, and it would be all over the web. They know nothing of Social Media.

People think the past was crazy, but I give you, The Future!


Rule 35. :P


Rule 34, Little Debbie face down on a cupcake, being done by the Pillsbury Dough Boy, is on the web, as a photo of a Tattoo. Also as a porn star name, and another meaning for Cream Pie.


I failed to elaborate on the nature of Rule 35. "If there is none, it will be created."


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26 Nov 2012, 6:36 pm

Seabass wrote:
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Yeah, those unions, the scum of the earth. They got health and safety regulations in place; long work weeks and sweathouses done away with and caused people to have to put up with -OMG - sick leave and even a vacation now and then. They they they - don't any of you work? Do you have health and safety regulations that protect you? Are you allowed a lunch break? Do you get sick leave when you're ill? Thank unions, because believe me, the employers would not, most of them, have done that on their own.

the reason why some working-class folk would support republican policies that would disenfranchise their own class, is that some of them have been inculcated [by various right-wing organs] with the "horatio alger" meme which makes them actually believe that "anybody can jerk themselves up by their own bootstraps." these clueless tools actually believe they can just climb the ladder of success and leave their working class brethren behind to suffer the consequences of their perfidy, all the while laughing their foolish asses off their self-impressed jejune backsides. little do they know the joke is on them, the deck is stacked against them and long has been.


Or maybe they like the idea of smaller government, lower taxes, and the social beliefs of the Republican platform? Not everyone blindly follows along to the same drumbeat. Of course, I'm not suggesting the Republican party actually follows through with any of these ideas.

If they expect smaller government and lower taxes from the party that authored the Patriot Act, created Homeland Security, and started a war that cost trillions, they're deluding themselves. Yeah, keep those taxes low and borrow all that money - we'll laugh our country all the way to the poorhouse, and line our own pockets while we're at it. Who cares about the voter, once the election is over? Who cares about the future? NOW WE HAVE A MANDATE. That was the cry of the Bush administration for 8 years while it spent like a drunken sailor, and it's the cry of GOP members of Congress now. They don't care about the country, only themselves and their rich donors. I can't say the Democrats in office are much better, but to blame big government and taxation on the Democrats alone is just wrong.


C'mon dudette, read. It's painfully obvious that both parties are basically the same, but harp on each other viciously to appeal to their base. The GOP is done for, but if those disenfranchised in the party swap to the Libertarian Party, maybe some real change can occur. Then I'd feel more confident about the upcoming revolution.

(Can't tell if you were just highlighting my points. Usually expect negative feedback. Sorry if that's the case).


It is in my opinion that the politicians just like playing games, while the people just suffer.


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28 Nov 2012, 6:39 pm

People suffer because they like to. If not politics, then religion, or daytime TV, which I hear is now on at night. Perceived Community Values, Home Owners Associations, are in demand forms of bondage.

Being tied with invisable ropes where they can just squirm through their days, under the power of some master, explains why they do not take any action.

Everything can be blamed on something beyond their control, that forces them to obey. Well, until the revolution, where something beyond their control forces them to kill random people, who might have been soft on other people who supported something.

When that runs down they return to being slaves of the new state.

I have tried to understand people, it is easy once you get they are seeking to avoid being themselves, and it gets worse in groups.

Everyone votes for the party that absolves them of any guilt.

Like upper management and unions on this thread, a choice of villiens, who were both employed by Stock Holders through the Directors they elected.

Neither had any power to change anything, but both get the blame.

One drops out of high school and joins the Bakers Union, starts at $20 an hour, health care, vacations, retirement.

The other finishes High School, an undergrad degree, a Masters, and after six years of more education, spends another four as a management trainee, making less than a Baker, and putting in seventy hours a week.

For most management, the company moves you every couple of years, and after a decade of that, you might get a job paying twice what a Baker makes. If you have a corporate wife and family, they have not known anyone for two years, have to start over again and again, always the new kid in school.

Now you are forty, the heart attack years, and if driven enough, might get a job up the ladder, which is so full time, having a family or any other life is impossible. For four times what a high school dropout makes, the company owns all your time.

Survive to fifty, make ten times a Bakers pay, but without weekends, vacations, as you live within the company social world.

Very few make it to the top, Hostess would not support a major player for a CEO, so they got what they payed for. Third string top manager at a products company in the midwest. His last company made pickles, he knew packaging.

He was not going to sell the last and best years of his work without a backup, this is marriage, and if it comes to divorce, it is going to cost you.

Union Bakers are now making five times Minium Wage, for doing the same job they took out of school. They lived in the same place, had lots of free time, knew their children, had old friends, a good income and little stress.

Now neither looks so evil, and the product was given to an Advertising Agency to promote, by the Directors. It was an Industry Standard, change nothing, just keep the name out there. They did what they were paid for.

The Stock Holders bought in because it was an old line product that looked like it would last, and they did not want to spend producing something that would replace their own sales.

No one projected a long term recession that would cut into junk food sales. By the time sales declined, it was too late to change course.

When the poor have less to spend to put food on the table, snacks and treats are first to be cut.

It is as Buffet said, "When the tide goes out, we will see who was swimming naked."



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03 Dec 2012, 7:38 pm

Went to Wal Mart earlier. Not a Twinkie to be found. Nor Ding Dong, Ho-Ho or Snowball. Oh man, I never ate the Snowballs but I will MISS seeing them every time I go to a 7/11 or Wal Mart. Those things were right by the checkouts. Asked a Wal Mart worker. he said they are gone and will never ever return again. Hostess is out of business. I was gonna buy some boxes of Twinkies just in case they disappeared. I have not been paying attention to the media and thought Hostess was still working on selling brands but NO all gone. I can't believe it. So weird! This is the first time in my lifetime Twinkies have not been there...

It's going to be really difficult because ever since I was really little I was drawn to those Snowballs. I didn't like the way they tasted but loved the way they looked. My mom couldn't stand them because of the mess and I don't like sweet, marshmallow goo that much anyway but just seeing the puffy things in their packages has always been reassuring. Now I will never see them again ever :(



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04 Dec 2012, 12:29 am

when the elephants fight, it is the twinkies which get crushed. :hmph:



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04 Dec 2012, 12:47 am

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when the elephants fight, it is the twinkies which get crushed. :hmph:

"To bring about the Revolution, one must crush a few Twinkies." -- King Ding-Dong


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04 Dec 2012, 12:51 am

and all these years, i'd been longing to try deep-fat-fried twinkies... now i'll never get the chance. :cry:



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04 Dec 2012, 1:04 am

I have some good news, guys!! ! All is not lost! Hostess is in the process of selling off so there's a good chance it will be back in business at some point despite the hopelessness expressed by the Wal Mart worker. He made it sound like it was gone for good but I read some encouraging stuff and I feel optimistic.



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04 Dec 2012, 1:22 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I have some good news, guys!! ! All is not lost! Hostess is in the process of selling off so there's a good chance it will be back in business at some point despite the hopelessness expressed by the Wal Mart worker. He made it sound like it was gone for good but I read some encouraging stuff and I feel optimistic.


I, too have heard that. The mighty Twinkie may yet live into our grand children's generation.

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04 Dec 2012, 1:29 am

my stomach says YAY :D but my liver says "meh." :hmph:



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04 Dec 2012, 11:02 am

My waistline says meh, lol.



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05 Dec 2012, 2:58 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
My waistline says meh, lol.

mine comes close enough to that, if i don't watch what [and how much] i eat. if i can't fit in my trousers, i stop eating and start walking.