Should people be allowed into the public naked?

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18 Nov 2012, 6:56 pm

As a society do you really think it's logical to allow people a choice in serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others while denying a choice in how they leave their own home?

Read through that sentence again; is there anything there that sounds logical to you? Anything at all?



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18 Nov 2012, 6:57 pm

I don't really care either way. In my area, leaving your house naked is hilariously stupid most of the year anyway.


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18 Nov 2012, 6:59 pm

With some of the people you see in shopping centres can you imagine how hilarious that would be. 8O 8O 8O



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18 Nov 2012, 7:03 pm

No. But there should be places people go where the can go unclothed. Those who do not mind nudity should have a place to go. The public is for EVERBODY, those who tolerate nudity and those who object to nudity., But as long as the person who prefers nudity has a place to go to be nude, he has no cause for complaint.

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18 Nov 2012, 7:21 pm

Sure why not.


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18 Nov 2012, 7:23 pm

I don't understand why the human form is so sacred. Why do we need to protect each other so much in this way?

It would be foolish to be naked in public at this line of latitude at this time of year, but in principle yes, people should be allowed to wear (or not wear) whatever the hell they want.



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18 Nov 2012, 7:42 pm

I don't think anyone should be required to wear clothes in public (and in my country there's no specific law against public nudity, although certain behaviors would fall under disorderly conduct, which is illegal), but private property is a different issue. If for example you own a store, and don't want naked people in it, you should have the right to have a dress code that refuses entry to naked people. As such, it wouldn't be practical, even in a society where public nudity is legal, to walk around naked all the time. Sometimes you need a loaf of bread, and chances are they'll throw you out of the store if you don't put something on, because the store doesn't belong to the people; it belongs to the store owners.


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18 Nov 2012, 8:01 pm

robo37 wrote:
As a society do you really think it's logical to allow people a choice in serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others while denying a choice in how they leave their own home?

Read through that sentence again; is there anything there that sounds logical to you? Anything at all?

You'll have to clarify "serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others".

At the moment, I don't see a logical contradiction, so I see no reason to think it is not logical. Decisions on clothing usually relate to the covering of sexually relevant bodily areas, which is partially a matter of pre-existing norms considering the public exposure of these parts to be inappropriate, as well as the costs that others incur from the nudity of others.(So, in a community that dislikes seeing nudity, it is entirely rational to either ban or significantly tax nudity.)

I mean, we can easily devise an economic framework in which anti-nudity laws make perfect sense. (Nudity as a negative externality. Taxes, and Coasian bargains are found inefficient for handling the problem, either due to other human frameworks, such as fairness and a desire for common values, or due to the problems of handling the financial issues as nudists are a minority)



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18 Nov 2012, 8:10 pm

thomas81 wrote:
I don't understand why the human form is so sacred. Why do we need to protect each other so much in this way?

It would be foolish to be naked in public at this line of latitude at this time of year, but in principle yes, people should be allowed to wear (or not wear) whatever the hell they want.


I think it's part of a weird human denial that we are animals. I think in some way exposed breasts or genitalia have a way of breaking down that denial some people hold to.



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18 Nov 2012, 8:47 pm

Only if they are really hot! :P :P :P :P :P :P



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18 Nov 2012, 8:58 pm

Good Lord No!! 8O
I was made to go to a Rainbow Family Gathering with my daughter,quite a few naked folks there,in the hot humid Arkansas summer,not an attractive sight.BUT they had a right to be there nude,it was their gathering.But I don't want to see naked people in town.It seems unsanitary.
But I think nudist colonies are a good idea for those who pursue that lifestyle.



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18 Nov 2012, 9:03 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
I think it's part of a weird human denial that we are animals. I think in some way exposed breasts or genitalia have a way of breaking down that denial some people hold to.

No, it's more likely that these aspects of the human body are subject to a large degree of various feelings, including desire, disgust, sacredness, and all of the rest. Taboos are partially constructed to create controls over aspects of a social reality that are considered special, and what we have involving clothing is partially a taboo.



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19 Nov 2012, 12:45 am

robo37 wrote:
As a society do you really think it's logical to allow people a choice in serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others while denying a choice in how they leave their own home?

Read through that sentence again; is there anything there that sounds logical to you? Anything at all?


Do you think people should be allowed to urinate in public? No they shouldn't, nor be in public naked.



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19 Nov 2012, 4:21 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
VIDEODROME wrote:
I think it's part of a weird human denial that we are animals. I think in some way exposed breasts or genitalia have a way of breaking down that denial some people hold to.

No, it's more likely that these aspects of the human body are subject to a large degree of various feelings, including desire, disgust, sacredness, and all of the rest. Taboos are partially constructed to create controls over aspects of a social reality that are considered special, and what we have involving clothing is partially a taboo.


Let me make your sentence correct: "No, it´s more likely that I choose for myself to see these aspects of the human body as a subject to a large degree of various feelings, including desire, disgust, sacredness, and all of the rest I choose myself ." Taboos are partially constructed to create controls over aspects of a social reality that are considered by my personal desicion special, and what we have involving clothing is partially a taboo. [/quote]

Sorry, but i don't get it. Sure noone should be forced to go naked if he does not want to, with the exception of the visit of a sauna because wearing cloths in sauna is (not by decision but by measurable hygiene standards) is just irresponsible against the other sauna visitors. But making other people responsible for your own free decision, to deliver yourself to hysteria just because of a naked body, is to make yourself irresponsible for your own actions. You are not forced to feel "various feelings, including desire, disgust, sacredness", thousands of people around the globus, every child who has not been already taught to choose himself to go hysteria because of naked bodies, is proof to this. They are the same race as you, human, so there can be no natural need to feel "various feelings, including desire, disgust, sacredness". So its free for you to decide how you want, but when the negative consequences you endure, are based on your own decision, the only one responsible for your decision are you yourself and not others.

I just remember how freaky it was, when i found out, that a US citizen had been punished because of being naked in his own house/garden. I didn´t know until then, that there seem to be people on the US streets, forcing you by weapon force to look into your neighbors garden or house, preventing you from turning your head into another direction. (Sarcasm)

So everybody should be free to choose if he wants to wear cloth in his leisure, but forcing your will on other free people by telling lies of an unseen force, forcing you to feel "desire, disgust, sacredness", i mean sorry, but if there is an unseen force somewhere around you forcing you to do things, talk to a doctor for your own sake. I live in a country, where its completely normal to choose if you want to go swimming naked or not, if you want to be in your own house and garden naked or not, and you can do naked camping, naked long run, naked cycling, naked hiking and because of hygiena standards in sauna its required to be naked, because it would be nuts to make a test labor at every sauna to make scientific test if everyone washed his sauna cloths before visiting the sauna. And some of these i choose to do myself, and some of these i do not based on my own free will. But in my whole live i never met someone who forced me with a gun to feel "desire, disgust, sacredness", when meeting someone naked, it was always up to my free decision to feel nothing curious, which is pretty normal when there is nothing curious around. Sorry, but if your feeling disgust, then blame the media for confronting you with lots of altered pictures of seemingly perfect people, edited by photo shops and hours of hair styling and make up, so that you dont seem to know anymore how normal people look like. To see normal people as disgusting, would bother me.

And i can ensure you, there are no armed people forcing anyone to anything in front of my house, so if you are bothering seeing me naked inside my house or garden in summer, just turn your head.



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19 Nov 2012, 4:47 am

Jitro wrote:
robo37 wrote:
As a society do you really think it's logical to allow people a choice in serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others while denying a choice in how they leave their own home?

Read through that sentence again; is there anything there that sounds logical to you? Anything at all?


Do you think people should be allowed to urinate in public? No they shouldn't, nor be in public naked.


Whoa, better people are not born at all than having to undergo basic bodily functions! [...]

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
You'll have to clarify "serious, permanent life impending choices on themselves and others".

At the moment, I don't see a logical contradiction, so I see no reason to think it is not logical. Decisions on clothing usually relate to the covering of sexually relevant bodily areas, which is partially a matter of pre-existing norms considering the public exposure of these parts to be inappropriate, as well as the costs that others incur from the nudity of others.(So, in a community that dislikes seeing nudity, it is entirely rational to either ban or significantly tax nudity.


Abortion is A) serious, as it requires dismembering of a developing human which prevents a person from entering the world, B) permanent, obviously this person will never have the chance to enter this world again, also the woman has to live with her choice forever, C) life impending, effects the entireness of a life D) a choice on themselves and others, dramatically effects the lives of the mother, farther, baby, with obvious emphasis on the baby's.

In comparison public nudity just leads to girls going "ewww" and walking away, or laughing about it.



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19 Nov 2012, 5:11 am

I think it would be great for women who have gone through an application process and review to get a license to go nude! :lol:

Okay, now being serious, I suppose being 100% butt naked in public is excessive. Someone in SF suggested a thong at minimum, which I guess would suffice except for public parks, schools, and places that serve food, and let other businesses and private properties set their own dress codes (or lack thereof).


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