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I think you're thinking of the Emancipation Proclamation that was ordered by Lincoln a few weeks after the Army of the Potomac took a pasting at the battle of Fredericksburg.

Actually the E.P. took place after Antietam. That dunce McClellan managed to snatch a bloody tie from the jaws of victory. Lincoln promulgated the E.P. in an attempt to dissuade Britain and France from recognizing the Confederacy and breaking the Union Blockade. Things did not really turn around for the Union until after the Battle of Gettysburg and the surrender of Vicksburg. With Vicksburg surrendered the Union owned the Mississippi River all the way down to New Orleans.

ruveyn

The EP took place 1 January 1863, two weeks after Fredericksburg.

Emancipation Proclamation Link

I think you're thinking of the Emancipation Proclamation that was ordered by Lincoln a few weeks after the Army of the Potomac took a pasting at the battle of Fredericksburg.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

"Duh."



There is NO WAY that this amendment would have passed if any of the Southern States had had any say in it.

There is NO WAY that this amendment would have passed if any of the Southern States had had any say in it.

Which is that Northerners were a bunch of racists who didn't give a hoot about slavery; that Negroes were in fact better off as slaves; and that White Southerners were the true victims of oppression.

Which is that Northerners were a bunch of racists who didn't give a hoot about slavery; that Negroes were in fact better off as slaves; and that White Southerners were the true victims of oppression.

Huh???I never saw anything like that in my history books.
Please show the text book and the info you say is in there.

Raptor had never previously heard of the 14th amendment, and thinks that Pennsylvanians were a bunch of racists who didn't care about ending slavery, when Pennsylvania was a hotbed of abolitionist sentiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvan ... on_Society

From Gettysburg to Reading was a big stretch of the "underground railway" It was no wonder why Lee wanted to do some damage up there.

ruveyn

Huh???I never saw anything like that in my history books.
Please show the text book and the info you say is in there.

His reason for the 1863 expedition in to Pa wasn't about the Underground Railroad.

He was aiming for Philadelphia. The idea was to bring the chickens home to the Yankees.

However he was stopped at Gettysburg and whipped thoroughly. Unfortunately that dunce Meade blew the chance to wipe out Lee's army and the war went on nearly another two years. No wonder Lincoln aged rapidly between 1863 and 1865. Between McClellan and Meade he gained a few wrinkles.

ruveyn

Ironically, the only two generals who grasped Lincoln's understanding of how to conduct a modern war were the drunk Grant, and the madman, Sherman.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer