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02 Dec 2012, 9:18 pm

Threads like this serve to remind me that most people have no idea what an "alpha male" really is.

Free hint: alpha male =/= "jerk."

Oh, and the idea that females are only ever "attracted" to "alpha males" is bullplop. I prefer actually primatology over pop-psychology peddled by "social scientists" looking to sell crappy evo-psyche books.


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02 Dec 2012, 9:45 pm

I hate romance novels and I will never get a bikini wax,I'll just wear the bottoms that look like shorts.Less chance of them falling off anyway.I hate clear cuts so any "forested"areas can remain a jungle. :wink:
If I did believe in book burnings it would be Harlequin romance novels.I'll buy the gas.



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02 Dec 2012, 9:45 pm

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It's not hypocrisy if you've gone off men because they think they always have to act like alphas.


No, but it is hypocrisy if women say that they don't want alphas but then only want alphas.



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02 Dec 2012, 9:47 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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It's not hypocrisy if you've gone off men because they think they always have to act like alphas.


No, but it is hypocrisyif women say that they don't want alphas but then only want alphas.


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02 Dec 2012, 10:16 pm

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Could you please answer the actual question that I asked? I've bolded it so you can find it. It wasn't rhetorical.


I didn't directly answer the actual question because the actual question was stupid and, even worse, pointless.

Didn't want to be rude about it, but you did push.



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02 Dec 2012, 10:28 pm

mds_02 wrote:
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Could you please answer the actual question that I asked? I've bolded it so you can find it. It wasn't rhetorical.


I didn't directly answer the actual question because the actual question was stupid and, even worse, pointless.

Didn't want to be rude about it, but you did push.


How was it stupid? I was asking what men would do in the absence of visual aids. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, or at least, no more unreasonable than the "WE MUST HAVE PORN!" stance.


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02 Dec 2012, 11:00 pm

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I hate romance novels and I will never get a bikini wax,I'll just wear the bottoms that look like shorts.Less chance of them falling off anyway.I hate clear cuts so any "forested"areas can remain a jungle. :wink:
If I did believe in book burnings it would be Harlequin romance novels.I'll buy the gas.


Does that mean that you use pornography as men do?



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02 Dec 2012, 11:23 pm

^^^^^^Nope, I don't need it,I have a very good imagination. :lol:



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02 Dec 2012, 11:37 pm

As a guy who has seen 6 different escorts across 10 different sessions within a six month period (May to November), I feel qualified to speak on the issue! lol. For the record, I got tested for STDs in September and since then I've only seen 1 escort regularly (whom I have seen 5 times between August and November). And I always use condoms for intercourse (but not oral sex but who does anyway?). So I'm taking proper precautions.

Why do I do it? I'm an introverted, socially awkward, likely Aspie (My Aspie score is 138/200) who finds it really difficult to find myself in those situations where women offer me sex. I've had sex with two civilian women (both neurotypicals) in my lifetime. And it didn't work out with those girls. The first due to a personality clash. The second because she was psycho obsessive. And I wasn't attracted to the second one (obese, very unattractive). She just came on strong with me and I pounced. lol.

It's difficult and tedious to navigate through the social labyrinth that is dating. Due to my Aspie-ness, I tend to engage in a lot of one-way conversation with people and have little interest in two-way conversation. With women, I force myself to be two-way and it feels forced and unnatural to me. I'm also socially awkward, have poor social skills, etc. So yeah I feel like it's more worth it to just pay $200-250/hour for the End Boss Game Genie code than to try my hand at navigating through the social labyrinth in some sort of quest to get laid. It's like playing one of those insanely hard video games where you keep dying and dying and dying and you see no solution in sight to beat the game. Beating a tough video game gives you a sense of accomplishment. But if you just keep dying and dying, you feel demoralized. Plus on top of that, with dating, not only are you investing so much time and effort but you are also indirectly paying for it anyway. For my past date, I paid about $15-16 for her share and I haven't even got a kiss yet (I'm not complaining though. She's a nice girl and we've got a second date. And I'm really hoping that it works out with us. But I'm just making the point that dating isn't really "free" either). And I paid about the same for this other girl and I didn't even get a second date out of it!

I must point out that sex with a woman you barely know often feels awkward as hell (I've had some good experiences though). And I think sex is insanely overrated. Masturbation feels better than sex for me and it's the only way I'm able to get off. I can't get off from another woman. Only through masturbation or my Fleshlight (yes I own one. But it's too tedious for me to even be bothered so I prefer to just use my hand). I bet my reduced sensitivity during sexual encounters with women has something to do with my Aspie-ness somehow.

I still have the desire to seek out sex from escorts in hopes that one day I'll get over my sensitivity issues and I'll be able to cum from sex. Maybe it's a comfort level thing. A lot of women have difficulty cumming from sex. It's just unusual in my case because I'm a guy and most guys are like automatic soap dispensers down there.

And I also have the desire to seek out sex (and more. Ideally, a long-term relationship. Though I'm not quite sure if I really do want a relationship) from "civilian" women. However trust is a big issue for me (a good escort won't judge me if I lose my erection or fail to get hard or otherwise don't perform up to standard or whatever. They get paid for their time either way). My ex-girlfriend referred to me as "Viagra Boy" to her cousin after a break-up and her getting mad at me even though at the time we were intimate she told me "it's ok". And the psycho girl, drunk dialed me, complaining that I don't love her and mocking me for going soft during sex. Experiences like that have made me go through life thinking that women are self-centered b*****s who aren't to be trusted and don't deserve respect. I want to meet a nice girl who isn't like that. I think that if I meet a nice girl I can trust and am comfortable with, the sexual issues will go away. I have sought help for my sexual issues and I've been told that they are psychological since I can masturbate to an erection and then to orgasm just fine. There's not much they can do for me pharmaceutical wise. Still though, even with the sexual issues, that doesn't give women the right to be nasty to me. I deserve a girl who is more understanding and isn't a b***h.

So yeah the escort thing is not about me hating women. It's a safe haven for me to explore my sexuality with a non-judgmental professional (I did have an encounter with a nasty escort once but I should have known better than to see her since she was a relative unknown. The well-reviewed ladies always treat me with respect and are sensitive to the fact that I'm socially awkward). The escorts I've seen are rather accommodating to my fetishes and interests (ie. blowjobs including deep-throating, ass-worship, face-sitting, cunnilingus, analingus, anal sex, etc.) Whereas with the two "civilian" girls I was with, the sex was very vanilla and I'd have to beg for blowjobs, which were very much uninspired.



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02 Dec 2012, 11:43 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
How was it stupid? I was asking what men would do in the absence of visual aids. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, or at least, no more unreasonable than the "WE MUST HAVE PORN!" stance.


Yeah. Only thing is no one said that. So you're using one unreasonable position in order to counter another unreasonable position that no one, outside of your own mind, actually holds.



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02 Dec 2012, 11:52 pm

@feenieI've never had someone pay my share on a date and I've never been mean when a guy loses an erection or can't perform. You could get what you want from 'civilians' for free (seriously) but granted it would be harder for you to find.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with you using prostitutes because at least you're doing it with women who have chosen that profession and keep a good amount of their money. If you can't cum from sex, then I don't think you are getting a good deal, but then it's your money.



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02 Dec 2012, 11:56 pm

I can't really say much about the "feminist" movement.
In my opinion, It's a personal problem that a girl/woman needs to address.
Becoming a feminist I would think is a personal lifestyle, principle and value change.
I am all for empowering women, I prefer a strong woman myself to stand up and challenge me when I'm in a relationship. We learn off each other.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:31 am

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I don't think that there is anything wrong with you using prostitutes because at least you're doing it with women who have chosen that profession and keep a good amount of their money. If you can't cum from sex, then I don't think you are getting a good deal, but then it's your money.
Yeah I don't feel like I'm getting much value for my money with the escorts because of the whole not being able to cum from sex thing. I hold out for this hope that I'll be able to cum as I get more comfortable. But that is kinda of a stab in the dark admittedly. And sleeping with strangers is not the most comfortable experience (though it varies by the escort. Some put me at ease more than others). Though a nice girlfriend would probably be the ideal situation for comfort. The girl I have been seeing recently seems like someone I could trust and we have a second date on Tuesday.

I have a feeling that my sexual issues are tied to Aspie-ness. Aspies are mechnical whereas sex is more of an organic neurotypical experience. It's not a good fit for us. Sure there are Aspies that can cum and have great sex obviously. But I've heard that my issues are not unusual for guys with Asperger's. And lots of Aspie virgins are probably unaware if they have similar issues because they are well, virgins.



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03 Dec 2012, 1:24 am

I will quote myself, because of the misrepresentation in several responses to me:

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A lot of men out there - even heterosexual men - would rather masturbate than use a prostitute, and don't need degrading porn to do so. (edit: not all porn is degrading, but most of the professional stuff is).

The edit was in before any of the responses to my post. Bolding added.



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03 Dec 2012, 1:27 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
mds_02 wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
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Who_Am_I wrote:
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Men are supposed to masturbate, but not use pornography? That's ridiculous!


They don't have imaginations?


When it comes to sex, no they don't.

At least not the way women do.

It's pretty well known that, when it comes to sexual arousal, men are far more visually stimulated than women are.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201205/the-triggers-sexual-desire-men-vs-women


That doesn't equate to "no imagination".
Say a guy has no access to pornography (I'm including both still images and video here).
He has an erection, it isn't going away on its own, and it's starting to get painful. What does he do?


So should women give up those things that provide them with the greatest stimulation because some men are bothered by them?


Could you please answer the actual question that I asked? I've bolded it so you can find it. It wasn't rhetorical.
I'm not saying that anyone has to give up anything, I'm just wondering what they'd do in the absence of said things.

'For an erection lasting more than four hours, call your doctor.'
Haven't you seen any celexa/viagra ads?



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03 Dec 2012, 1:33 am

LKL wrote:
'For an erection lasting more than four hours, call your doctor.'
Haven't you seen any celexa/viagra ads?


thats only if you took the darn pills.