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31 Jan 2013, 8:32 pm

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01 Feb 2013, 3:41 am

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/ ... irst-time/

First responders and what they witnessed (they're scarred for life and the next million).



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01 Feb 2013, 4:03 am

A Humanitarianist who hates humans, right... :lol:
I'd argue and with actual statistics and facts, that it is the people with the guns who hate humanity and the human race.

Over 1400 people have been killed by firearms since Sandy Hook and yet, over here, in the UK, the ONS figures show only 39 people died between 2011-2012. Those are facts.

I don't need to resort to personal attacks, the facts speak for themselves. Children shot, twenty at Sandy Hook. Children held hostage by armed suspects, innocent people across the USA killed by firearms on a daily basis. Those are facts.



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01 Feb 2013, 4:18 am

J-Greens wrote:
Over 1400 people have been killed by firearms since Sandy Hook and yet, over here, in the UK, the ONS figures show only 39 people died between 2011-2012. Those are facts.


You take in account the population differences? You need to do that to get an accurate comparative figure.

Also, does that 1400 for the US only include murders (if half of those are suicides and accidents, then you need to ignore them and compare such to suicides and accidents in the UK)? Is the 39 people from the UK murders and within the same time frame?

Total US murders in the same time frame would be needed too (you could extrapolate that by the percentage of deaths by firearm compared to others from last year, but that's an estimate).



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01 Feb 2013, 4:42 am

Ok, about 1464 murders in the US since the start of the year

24 in the UK

Population of the US 313,914,040
Population of the UK 62,641,000

About 5 times more for the US

So, the UK would have 120 murders compared to 1464 in the US since the beginning of the year when you factor in population differences.

Wowza. That's 12 times more so far rather than 4/5 times of last year.



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01 Feb 2013, 4:52 am

To give some perspective though:

Influenza has killed 5,000 so far in the US
alcohol has killed about 9,000
tobacco is about 30,000
firearm murders are about 1,000

Sad that booze and smoke aren't as discussed on the national level as firearms and their relation to murder. Banning the those two will have saved 39,000, and both are needed less than firearms if "need" is your argument.

Dead is dead if you care about life.



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01 Feb 2013, 7:07 am

I saw this lovely quote:

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Froman, the NRA board member, said she'd like to see more sharing of resources to ensure a database of the mentally ill would prevent them from having access to guns.


How about you go to hell, Froman?



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01 Feb 2013, 8:36 am

^ Yes, exactly. :x

I wonder how she'd feel about a shared database of those who have access to guns, so people who want nothing to do with guns know who to avoid?
Nah, thought not...


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01 Feb 2013, 9:08 am

Oh! It seems those going down the Mental Health road have just discovered that you're going to lose a lot more freedoms when legally, on-the-record you suffer from mental health issues. Career paths like the Military and Hospital paths will close, job hunting will increase tenfold in difficulty etc...

This will effect every US member on this site that's legally diagnosed.

...and as a result of Adam Lanza having Aspergers/Autism, if a draft proposal to improve Mental Healthcare, I'm certain that a proposal would be added that all diagnosed aspies would not be allowed to keep or collect any arsenals they may currently have.

So, what would you prefer: Second Class Citizenship and your arsenal being legally removed or just give them up and retain the freedoms you currently have?



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01 Feb 2013, 11:32 am

J-Greens wrote:
So, what would you prefer: Second Class Citizenship and your arsenal being legally removed or just give them up and retain the freedoms you currently have?


I'd take a big fat neither there. What's legal doesn't mean what's right.

It's just another case [in a long history of similar cases] of one minority group being marginalized and discriminated against because they're a minority, and by definition are easy to blame and foist off societal problems on.

The sad thing is, all sides of the political spectrum are possible fans of these things.



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05 Feb 2013, 10:23 pm

Another opinion (ignore the "owns Congress" and "all Americans should think like him"; but this is his uncut opinion):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXPlCjr0Vw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]



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12 Feb 2013, 11:20 pm

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There's a theory out there that says that Lanza had Lyme's Disease and that this caused the shootings.

I've got a really bad feeling about his mother. That she was an emotionally abusive "nurturer" type. Things aren't always what they seem to the outside.