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14 Dec 2012, 6:43 pm

Clearly guns has a huge part in this, in places like Canada you don't hear of things like this NEARLY as often as in the U.S.



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14 Dec 2012, 6:50 pm

It's such a tragic event, I'm at a loss of words. The grief those families are feeling, it'll always be there. I hope they get all the support in the world. I hope the media can give them privacy, and I hope that this isn't the main story for weeks to come.



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14 Dec 2012, 6:51 pm

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Clearly guns has a huge part in this, in places like Canada you don't hear of things like this NEARLY as often as in the U.S.


Not really. There's probably hundreds of thousands of firearms in Canada. If they're there, they can be used; if they're there, they can be acquired. Just like good old Martin Bryant in Oz; he acquired them illegally. Just like Anders; he acquired his Mini-14 legally. Both in countries that aren't the US (with a smidgen of the population).

It's something else. It's not guns or Asperger's.

It's humans. Humans kill other humans, and it's never going to change. More humans in one place, and more humans killing other humans based on percentages.

Anyway, color me indifferent to these things, the emotional impact; it's just life. Disease, club, bullet, landslide, earthquake and whatnot.



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14 Dec 2012, 6:51 pm

I'm angry that the news will focus on this incident and ignore other stories. It's an unfortunate incident, but it's one of many, and I hate when the news focuses entirely on one story for days on end. It's violence porn, not journalism.



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14 Dec 2012, 6:55 pm

What a terrible tragedy befalling society's truly innocent. I think how Bob Marley would react to such an event and try to honor his memory. He would have words of wisdom to offer.



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14 Dec 2012, 7:04 pm

Ugh...... I hate when the media demonizes people with autism. Like this article, saying that "Ryan Lanza told law enforcement that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and be "somewhat autistic" and lived with the mother in Connecticut, the third official added." Nobody in the Autistic community would ever condone that kind of behavior, or think like that. It's bs



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14 Dec 2012, 7:04 pm

MrXxx wrote:
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It WAS on the ABC website, I remember distinctly seeing it, but it appears to have been taken down


Could be. Perhaps it wasn't substantiated yet?

Same rumor circulated about the Aurora shooter too Dox.

Was it the brother that the media thought was the shooter that had aspergers?


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14 Dec 2012, 7:05 pm

As in the past, stories like this always seem to have one agency that maybe did, maybe didn't report something specific, bloggers picked it up (or made it up, who knows?), and hysteria follows.

It'll be sorted out eventually. The fact is, we don't know for sure what the truth is yet. Even if it was on ABC, they could have been wrong.

That would never happen though, would it? :roll:

Yes it was supposedly his brother Ryan.


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14 Dec 2012, 7:17 pm

John_Browning wrote:
MrXxx wrote:
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It WAS on the ABC website, I remember distinctly seeing it, but it appears to have been taken down


Could be. Perhaps it wasn't substantiated yet?

Same rumor circulated about the Aurora shooter too Dox.

Was it the brother that the media thought was the shooter that had aspergers?



No, he was the one that told officials the shooter had aspergers, allegedly


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14 Dec 2012, 7:18 pm

i live in new england and i have been watching this story all day and i have not heard anything about the shooter having aspergers.

and would just wish everyone would knock off such f#%@ stupid talk.dont turn this sick tragady into another posthumous autism diagnosis without real reason to suspect so


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14 Dec 2012, 7:40 pm

UPDATE (too tired to type it all out here, so here's link to post in the other thread):

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5090930.html#5090930
(Corrected the link)


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14 Dec 2012, 7:44 pm

A bereaved, traumatized teen-aged boy says that his brother, the murderer of his mother, was 'believed to have a personality disorder' and was 'somewhat autistic'?

This is not a diagnosis.
And if there is one, there are 70,000 of us just on this one little American website alone who have never hurt anyone, who only want friends and help fitting in to a sometimes hostile world.
There are supposedly seven MILLION autistics/aspergians worldwide.

If he didn't obtain a gun, he would have made a bomb, or like Laurie Dann, poisoned a tray full of juice cups and left them in the school refrigerator.
Maybe we can get a petition up, for the media to be legally required to state, whenever a murderer is caught or convicted, if there is no formal diagnosis, that 'This killer is a Non-Autistic, does not have Asperger's, was not drunk or stoned, was just mean and evil.'

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14 Dec 2012, 7:52 pm

Fizzle?

Why not. Here it is. The apparent real source, and what was actually said:

Quote:
Ryan Lanza told law enforcement that his brother was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and be "somewhat autistic" and lived with the mother in Connecticut, the third official added.


(bolding added)

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-sourc ... ies-school

IOW: He was only "believed" to have both, and Asperger's is not mentioned.


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14 Dec 2012, 7:56 pm

Dear MrXxx, what does fizzle mean?

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14 Dec 2012, 7:57 pm

I was asking if the uproar would finally fizzle. I doubt it though.

fiz·zle
/ˈfizəl/
Verb
End or fail in a weak or disappointing way: "their revolt fizzled out".
Noun
A failure.
Synonyms
verb. fizz - hiss - sizzle
noun. fizz - failure - fiasco - sizzle - flop


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14 Dec 2012, 7:58 pm

Posthumous AS diagnosis?

Let the crime scene be processed first.


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