[UK] Waitrose chief is smug about horsemeat scandal

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16 Feb 2013, 9:53 pm

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Horse meat scandal: Shoppers who buy 'cheapest food' at risk
  • British consumers face paying the price for the horse meat scandal, one of the country’s leading retailers warns today.
Mark Price, the chief executive of Waitrose, says that in return for families knowing food is safe and genuine, it cannot be seen as a “cheap commodity” any longer.

He says the proper testing of meat and verification of its origins is vital to maintain consumer confidence in the food they eat.

This is something he insists Waitrose has been doing, which is why it has not been affected by the scandal, but he emphasises that not every part of the food industry has been so careful.

Notice that it gives people like Mr. Price an opportunity to rubbish the other supermarkets. All very subtle of course, ha ha ha.



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16 Feb 2013, 10:08 pm

I see his point. Being able to say, "Neener-Neener" at the competition while extolling your own virtues is what makes commercialism / capitalism so great.

At least he has a reason.


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16 Feb 2013, 10:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
I see his point. Being able to say, "Neener-Neener" at the competition while extolling your own virtues is what makes commercialism / capitalism so great.

At least he has a reason.


True, but Waitrose isn't exactly the sort of place where people who would regularly pick the cheapest meats would eat from. It's a very middle-class retailer, with prices to match.



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16 Feb 2013, 10:13 pm

The Right has called for deregulation and caveat emptor, and this is what happens. Not that I find that horsemeat is unappealing, it should obviously not masquerade as other meat.



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16 Feb 2013, 10:17 pm

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The Right has called for deregulation and caveat emptor, and this is what happens.


This is the EU's doing. The EU banned the selling of cheaply-made, mechanically recovered meat made in the UK. So the retailers looked elsewhere to feed their public. Because they did it on the cheap, they weren't always aware of what went into it.



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17 Feb 2013, 6:22 am

Apparently Sainsbury's is the one that has actually bothered to do test. Apparently they have test 50% already.

Of course they are goign to try out do each other, that is natural. Notice Tesco has been decidedly silent.

Meat hasn't been cheap in years.



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17 Feb 2013, 7:28 am

0_equals_true wrote:
Notice Tesco has been decidedly silent.


Well, not quite. Terry Leahy has promised to open up the supply chain.



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17 Feb 2013, 11:22 am

(I like your new avatar, Tequila!)

Some claim that the European horsemeat scandal is a result of a food supply chain that has become too complex to be safe.

Others claim that Europeans are stuck with a system that over-regulates the industry to the point where even the most meager profits must be obtained through measures that are both extreme and illegal.

Then there is the fact that in today's world, foodstuffs are highly mobile commodities - you really can not be absolutely certain of the origins of the foods you are eating, unless you produce the food yourself. Even the so-called "Organic" label does not guaranty that your food will be of any greater quality than its less-expensive "non-organic" counterparts.

I say that it's all of these factors, combined in a convoluted mess that even IBM's Watson could not figure out.

So what do we have now? We have an industry that tacitly requires cheap fillers and additives, without which most food producers would go broke. Back in the 1970s, it was alleged that a major fast-food chain used cheap soy flour to fill out their expensive beef patties, resulting in a three- to five-fold increase in the chain's profits. Nowadays, that same chain dominates the fast-food market here in the States. Could they have grown to such dominance without finding ways to increase their profit margins? We may never know for certain, but I (for one) will never by another burger from that chain ... no matter how many billions they have sold ...


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17 Feb 2013, 11:35 am

Fnord wrote:
Some claim that the European horsemeat scandal is a result of a food supply chain that has become too complex to be safe.


It's not a particular problem to most Europeans, because there isn't the same cultural taboo against horse meat as in the UK and Ireland.

And, as I said, I lay the blame at the EU's door. The EU have the last say over jurisdiction in the agricultural and meat industries in all Member States, and what they have said goes.

As for my new avatar: merci beaucoup. :)



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17 Feb 2013, 12:02 pm

It isn't really about horse meat as such but knowing what it is you are eating.

The product flagged are the very crudest examples of processed food, however that doesn't mean it would be possible to happen in supposedly higher quality food.

I think squeeze margin, and overheads doe mean there is more incentive for criminal activity.

Answer me this though, have never eat something than in hindsight could have been something other than you believed? If not how can you be sure?

This sort of thing can happen anywhere.

Go out for Tex-Mex you could be eating donkey. This is not just going to go on in Europe, any territory is vulnerable.



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17 Feb 2013, 12:08 pm

"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger."

As long as it doesn't make me sick, then I don't mind eating fidofurters, horsehash, or cat soup.

Ever had deep-fried guinea pig?

Wikipedia wrote:
Guinea pigs (called cuy, cuye, curí) were originally domesticated for their meat in the Andes. Traditionally, the animal was reserved for ceremonial meals by indigenous people in the Andean highlands, but since the 1960s it has become more socially acceptable for consumption by all people. It continues to be a major part of the diet in Peru and Bolivia, particularly in the Andes Mountains highlands; it is also eaten in some areas of Ecuador (mainly in the Sierra) and Colombia. Because guinea pigs require much less room than traditional livestock and reproduce extremely quickly, they are a more profitable source of food and income than many traditional stock animals, such as pigs and cows; moreover, they can be raised in an urban environment. Both rural and urban families raise guinea pigs for supplementary income, and the animals are commonly bought and sold at local markets and large-scale municipal fairs. Guinea pig meat is high in protein and low in fat and cholesterol, and is described as being similar to rabbit and the dark meat of chicken. The animal may be served fried (chactado or frito), broiled (asado), or roasted (al horno), and in urban restaurants may also be served in a casserole or a fricassee. Ecuadorians commonly consume sopa or locro de cuy, a soup dish. Pachamanca or huatia, a process similar to barbecueing, is also popular, and is usually served with corn beer (chicha) in traditional settings.

No, it doesn't taste at all like chicken...


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17 Feb 2013, 1:35 pm

Horsemeat does make you stronger! It contains twice the amount of iron compared to beef, and at least in the EU they generally recieve less antibiotics and other medicine compared to cattle.

The main problem is they wasted a high quality product to create minced meat for cheap lasagnas. Retailers should just sell the meat as horsemeat. I think many poorer Brits would like the opportunity to eat steak on the cheap, so just give them that choice. I'll post it again:

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17 Feb 2013, 1:37 pm

Horse meat often contains a pain killer which is not safe for humans. This is a problem in the EU.



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17 Feb 2013, 1:51 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Horse meat often contains a pain killer which is not safe for humans. This is a problem in the EU.


That's why many horses are rejected for slaughter for human consumption because of their medical records, at least in the Netherlands.



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17 Feb 2013, 1:58 pm

Fnord wrote:
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger."

As long as it doesn't make me sick, then I don't mind eating fidofurters, horsehash, or cat soup.

Ever had deep-fried guinea pig?


Well my mother is Peruvian so she has tried it. Nice apparently.

It is the home of maze, and potatoes, and quinoa (pronounced keen-wa). The maze is not all sweet, and the have jumbo corn which dried and salted makes a great alternative snack. However they have too many corn starch related stuff, a horrible purple corn drink, which is pretty much the same slime that is used on some game shows, with a dunkers, or tippers.

Their potatoes are really interesting purple skin, deep yellow inside. really tasty roasted. But grow it elsewhere you and you get a conventional potato.

Yaka/Manioc/Cassava is really nice roasted. I love the different varieties of aji peppers, it is a unique taste, and each one is different, I like amarillo, panca, and my favorite mirasol.

There is a great lamb stew dish called seco de cordero, also a great barbequed marinated cows heart. It is also are really cheap cut, because people just don't eat heart in UK. Butchers are happy to oblige.

Ceviche is much better than the Mexican imitations.

I don't think they always hit the mark, their chicken dishes are terrible.

Most people have heard of pisco sour if you know your drinks. A well prepared one is beautiful.



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17 Feb 2013, 2:00 pm

trollcatman wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Horse meat often contains a pain killer which is not safe for humans. This is a problem in the EU.


That's why many horses are rejected for slaughter for human consumption because of their medical records, at least in the Netherlands.


Sure if they are doing it legitimately, the problem lies with the criminal networks which are not as stringent. Aslo in countries where corruption is rife.