Cuba: Maybe We Should Give Them a Chance

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Yes, but being the superpower I'm on the controlling side. The world is not a utopia; there is one way (not always good) or the worse way (very rarely good).


That means gain control quickly by whatever conventional means THEN work with them to sort out the mess and chart a better course other than communism or what is causing them to want to (or think they want to) go communist.


Is this about Israel's policies in dealing with the Palestinians or a Nazi era holocaust thing your making comparisons to? I can never tell with your kind since you in effect call for the destruction of the state of Israel but in the same breath call conservatives Nazis.


Ah yes, resort to hysteria when all else fails.


Don't get any on ya.

Read your Bible. That has nothing to do with Israel or Nazi, hence the use of the name, Israelites, as opposed to Israeli.



Joshua 6:24

Why should I went I can get you to read it to me?

I almost forgot about you.

When what's at stake is at stake, yes. I hope I don't have to reiterate what's at stake for you.



Most Americans except for the cigar lovers could care less about our relations or lack of them with Cuba .

Well at least my positions on Cuba seem to be quite moderate...

False. Although I smoke, I don't particularly care for cigars, and from the tobacco that I've smoked in the past, I rather prefer Turkish. Never much cared for the American blends, Latin or otherwise.

The reason I want to see Cuba, aside from trusting my own judgment more than others, is because I want to meet the people and understand them. I want to see Havana, in it's preserved historic state. I want to learn from the people there and enjoy their culture, as I have with French people and Russians, Salvadorans and Peruvians and Guajiro. I find foreign cultures interesting, obsessively so, and I think it's a damn shame that unlike anywhere else in the world, I can't drink from the wellspring as far as Cuban culture is concerned.

You can, just if you get in trouble there you're screwed as there's no diplomatic ties. But nobody's gonna stop you from going to Cuba from Canada. There's actually US State Department trips to Cuba for "cultural exchange." That rapper Jay-Z went to Cuba and then bragged about how he got clearance from Obama himself (when it was just the state department) to go to Cuba. Just don't get in trouble as you'll be utterly f****d.

Supposedly a week all inclusive to Cuba is like $700.

A someone who has lived in various developing countries and have also visited Cuba. Many people need to get off their high horse. My father also lived their under Batista. Batista was sort of a Mugabe populist character someone who would do anything to hold onto power, and directly dealt with the American mafia.


I'm no defender of the regime, but it is really easy to talk down any place, in reality it is pretty average for developing countries. You have to be a realist.

One of the major flaw of the cold war, is it created the logical fallacy belief of "because we are not like them, and they are idealist, we are not idealistic". The reality is we are very idealist to fault.

I also lived in Angola during the civil war, a place which was used to fight the cold war by proxy. American supported Jonas Savimbi even though he at least pretended to be a Maoist, and was a murderous terrorist, who committed war crimes. Dos Santos also no saint, but nevertheless much more stable solution. The irony is Savimbi always said he would throw the oil companies out. Angola is now the second biggest location for oil in Africa, and has been a strong hold for American oil companies for years now.

I visited Chevron oil in Cabinda gulf, it is massive.


In all honestly Marxism or Maoism, means f**k all if you are a cow herder, who get little or nothing from the government anyway, and rarely see any representatives. It is not as if any of these political schools actually meant anything anyway.

South Africa appreciates Cuba's role in ending Apartheid at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale.

He was very similar to Castro when it came to holding power. I'd say that dealing with the USSR and aiming nuclear warheads at the US is worse than dealing with the mafia, though.



In terms of civil rights, it's worse. 13 de Marzo would never have happened in any democratic nation or a hybrid regime.

The didn't aim to be precise the US located the whereabouts, they weren't fully deployed but were working on it. It was Khrushchev and reaction to missiles in Turkey.

It is funny how Russians today get off quite lightly yet arguably, Putin is not to be trusted.



Bit of a silly statement. Define hybrid regime? There are plenty of similar countries with the same sort of human right record to Cuba.

The average American does not give a rat's a** about Cuba. The the Americans who smoke cigars never forgave Castro for lowering the standards of production for Havana Cigars. The best Havana cigar tobacco is now grown in Guatemala.

ruveyn

Cuba isn't an oppressed nation as the US media has always put it. The economic isolation actually helped them be relatively safe from the IMF's insidious fingers and they learned to lift themselves up from colonialism.

As its stands now Cuba is one of the 4 nations in the planet that could survive the peak oil crisis...because they can produce enough food to feed themselves without using oil products.

Ironically, #1 in that survival list is N. Korea. 2nd is Cuba. 3rd is Mongolia (though when oil crisis hits it will be invaded by China so it usually gets taken off the list) and 4th is New Zealand. Only one 1st world nation is on that list...and it happens to be only because they have a very low population compared to arable land.

The missiles in Turkey did not have nuclear warheads and weren't supposed to be fired unless a war broke out. According to Che Guevara, the missiles on Cuba were actually scheduled to be fired and he even referred to Nikita Kruschev as a traitor because of it. This is one of the reasons why he eventually sided with China in the Sino-Soviet split and left Cuba.



He's a somewhat corrupt guy, but he does care about the Russian people. The combination of the USSR fall and Boris Yeltsin made Russia the mess it is today.



A hybrid regime is a regime that's not a democracy, but not a dictatorship either. Commonly, these are countries that hold free election (with no fraud), but still employ torture of dissidents, carry out extrajudicial executions and deny the people the right to free speech. Examples today are Venezuela, Pakistan, Turkey, Armenia, Haiti and Ukraine.

Most countries with more despotic leaders than the Castro brothers have either had their leaders overthrown in the Arab spring. North Korea is an exception because food scarcity and extreme isolation prevents any uprisings.

The fact remains that most Americans don't care about Cuba one way or the other and neither do I.
Go visit someplace else in its preserved historic state and learn from their people.

Bits of Manchester look worse than that.