Our friends, the Syrian 'rebels'

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Back during the war between the mujihadeen and the Soviets in Afghanistan bin Laden and al qedah were our "friends". The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Maybe. and only sometime. The revolt in Syrian is being taken over by al qedah and other Jihadis. It is impossible to have a reliable alliance with any active Muslim group.

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And now the FSA is being absorbed by Islamists, you can't support them with out also supporting these folks. It's not about punishing or ignoring them intervening in this conflict runs counter the interests of the United States nor would it stop the bloodshed. This isn't a conflict between good and evil or dictator and freedom fighters. It's sectarian and foreign countries are using it as a proxy for their interests. The only solution is a political one.

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War is politics. Truth is the first to die, and killing is the way to talk.

I rebel occupied areas it is up to the rebels to provide food, utilities, medical care, education. They must continue the government payroll to keep water, sewer, and other basic systems functioning.

Red Cross and Crescent have pulled back, it seems freedom loving rebels do not just take what is in the truck, they take the truck, and the lives of those who delivered it. Supplies are not getting to the people.

Rebels are not sending in shiploads of wheat, and keeping gas and water flowing to the bakeries. The liberated areas are starving. Millions have left the country to get away from the rebel concept of freedom.

In areas controlled by the government, the lights are on, there is food in the shops, gas, the hospitals and schools are open. Rebels are a few sucide car bombs, a few mortor rounds fired at a school, by animals.

The rebels have won the hearts and minds of the poor, at gunpoint, The government has won the city living upper classes, the non religious fanatic vote, Christians, Kurds, and others who do not want to be ruled by The House of Saud.

The self deporting by the poor is the best thing that ever happened, Declaring they are no longer subjects, they can never return. All who had government jobs, were in the army, that defected, can never return, and the country is better off without them. They can go live in camps somewhere else.

The Jihadis are thug level fighters. Street gang. Sure they can snipe a few government troops, but then the whole neighborhood gets flattened. When they are ringed by troops they have two choices, surender, or die. They are taking their supporters with them. Killing captured government troops and workers really limits their options.

Everybody that jumped on board when they were going to tell Assad to leave, and they would be the new dictators, have no room to rethink their choice, it was do or die.

Neighbors, Turkey, Jorden, have supported acts of war, and cannot stop the wave of refugees. Palistinians that were given shelter, then lived in Section 8 camps since 1967, are moving to Jorden.

Anti Aircraft weapons have been getting better, and the current crop can shoot down anything over to Egypt. A no fly zone has been created.

Russia has moved two fleets to Cyprus,

The government holds the coast, the close borders, but most of the rural eastern part of the country is in rebel hands. Once the urban renewal is finished in government held areas, the army will sweep the rest of the country, driving the population over the borders.

They can join the other cab drivers in England and France. They will still has a group, and weapons. The House of Saud does want to see Europe fall.

France is ripe.

War is politics. Truth is the first to die, and killing is the way to talk.

I rebel occupied areas it is up to the rebels to provide food, utilities, medical care, education. They must continue the government payroll to keep water, sewer, and other basic systems functioning.

Red Cross and Crescent have pulled back, it seems freedom loving rebels do not just take what is in the truck, they take the truck, and the lives of those who delivered it. Supplies are not getting to the people.

Rebels are not sending in shiploads of wheat, and keeping gas and water flowing to the bakeries. The liberated areas are starving. Millions have left the country to get away from the rebel concept of freedom.

In areas controlled by the government, the lights are on, there is food in the shops, gas, the hospitals and schools are open. Rebels are a few sucide car bombs, a few mortor rounds fired at a school, by animals.

The rebels have won the hearts and minds of the poor, at gunpoint, The government has won the city living upper classes, the non religious fanatic vote, Christians, Kurds, and others who do not want to be ruled by The House of Saud.

The self deporting by the poor is the best thing that ever happened, Declaring they are no longer subjects, they can never return. All who had government jobs, were in the army, that defected, can never return, and the country is better off without them. They can go live in camps somewhere else.

The Jihadis are thug level fighters. Street gang. Sure they can snipe a few government troops, but then the whole neighborhood gets flattened. When they are ringed by troops they have two choices, surender, or die. They are taking their supporters with them. Killing captured government troops and workers really limits their options.

Everybody that jumped on board when they were going to tell Assad to leave, and they would be the new dictators, have no room to rethink their choice, it was do or die.

Neighbors, Turkey, Jorden, have supported acts of war, and cannot stop the wave of refugees. Palistinians that were given shelter, then lived in Section 8 camps since 1967, are moving to Jorden.

Anti Aircraft weapons have been getting better, and the current crop can shoot down anything over to Egypt. A no fly zone has been created.

Russia has moved two fleets to Cyprus,

The government holds the coast, the close borders, but most of the rural eastern part of the country is in rebel hands. Once the urban renewal is finished in government held areas, the army will sweep the rest of the country, driving the population over the borders.

They can join the other cab drivers in England and France. They will still has a group, and weapons. The House of Saud does want to see Europe fall.

France is ripe.

It's a cycle of blood, a civil, the scene you posted was barbarian indeed but keep in mind that the side you support isn't less barbarian (The Assad, I am sure you're pro-Assad based on past posts).
I've personally witnessed militants cooking rats so I am not so surprised.

Cannibalism in wars isn't something new in wars btw, check the Japanese war crimes for instance.

Btw, every Syrian refugee I've encountered turned out to be anti-Assad (I never ask).

Every worker our engineers dealt and worked with turned out to be anti-Assad too.

He's really not that popular as a supposed 99% elected president, eh?


This report shows pro-gov soldiers massacring a whole town.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22684359

Nah. Sweden is ripe. Possibly even the UK.

Aye, I do! and strongly so too, but not so naively as so many of you westerners are asking for. What did you ask for is a renaissance and major secular progress in an overnight which is unrealistic, no country ever did so before.

I believe in the 49% who voted against Mursi in Egypt and in the majority who lost to the consolidated minority (Islamists) in Tunisia, the islamists lost in Libyan elections to the liberals despite all the naysayers....

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Those are the strong rays of light, the potential seeds for upcoming real spring, they give a way better chance than staying under dictator rule. If you ever think that dictatorship guarantees the halt of radical islam then you're so f*****g wrong.


Yes, there are attempts for those Islamic rulers to change the facets of their countries but they won't succeed easily.

All what the dictators you loved did was strongly shutting all rival secular parties while fueling radicalism to make it a legit reason to stay ruling.

For instance Mubarak and Qaddafi told the people and the west that they have to be kept in power otherwise Qaeda-likes will rule everything (proven wrong later in Egypt, an opposition of half the population isn't ruling alone, same as for Tunisia), Mubarak established an university where radical imams were lecturing, some were openly aired on the media, their speeches were full of sexism and anti-Christianity but none of the press was criticizing them; Mubarak really did absolutely nothing to halt this nor the brotherhood expansion and their suspicious activities.

What those dictators succeeded to do was to picture for the west that ALL their people are Islamic radicals and them are the only powers who can tame them. That exactly what they wanted to be viewed.

Today, the Egyptian media today is FULL of extremely bold anti-Islamists criticism and exposing all the Islamist hypocrisies. Check for instance Bassem Youssef (some are translated) and Umr Adib videos - we never saw such anti-Islamism criticism in well known media channels under Mubarak rule nor under any another Arab dictator.

Look, it's ok if you don't want to get involved in Syria; Qatar, Turkey and Gulf countries are doing fine in funding the rebels.

But don't tell me Al-Assad is the better fate for the Syrians.

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Yeah, but Boo, what are you talking about? At least Al-Assad is all about secularism and democracy! Listen to the American members here; they know what they're saying more than you do!

Yeah, Al-Assad is the true anti-radicalism tampon, he never aided/funded radical movements across the Arab world such as Hezbollah, Fath el Islam, Hamas...

/sarcasm.

Actually, Yigal Carmon of MEMRI says basically the exact same thing that you're saying. That the Arab countries will most likely take centuries to shake off religious fanaticism and that this is only the start in an extremely bloody war for freedom in the Middle East.

So the EU has put its good name on the line in favour of Cannibalism. May the Cannibal God be praised!

I am afraid so, this is getting true already.

The biggest problem in the Muslim world is this; the most wealthy Muslim country is the one with the most backward version of Islam, and they use the money to promote it and the Empire supports this country and supports these efforts!

As bad as those groups are, they seem rather tame compared the groups the Gulf dictatorships who are supposed to be our allies(we like their oil, they like our money) have supported and continue to support. Do those groups pose any domestic threat the US? What will happen to women, Christians, and other minorities if the Syrian 'rebels' take over? What freedom are they fighting for? Democracy or Sharia? We've done this before and it has never worked out in our favor, the US needs to stay out of this conflict and to stop supporting terrorism.

Intervening will only further protract a bloody sectarian war that could spread to your country Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq with the risk of drawing in Russia and Iran. Jihadis(a good portion of which are not even from Syria) are not worth starting WW3 over. Unsurprisingly with the conflict starting to wind down you now here about direct intervention from the US, EU, Israel, Turkey, and the Gulf states just like they did in Libya. There is no interest in preventing bloodshed, it goes beyond Assad not playing nice with protesters. These countries are serving their own interests interfering. They talk about chemical weapons being used by the Syrian government when there is evidence of chemical weapons being used by these so called rebels.

Here's a hilarious bit of news, Senator John McCain visited Syria last weekend to meet with rebels and he posed with them in pictures. Two of the men he posed in pictures have been identified as kidnappers of 11 Lebanese pilgrims, 9 of which are still being held hostage. This comes from a man that claims he can identify the "good guys" amongst the Syrian rebels. This same idiot wants extensive background checks on guns in the US wants to arm Syrian rebels without vetting them at all. Good rule of thumb, whatever side McCain is on is the wrong one. The man is a bloodthirsty warmonger who has never left Vietnam in his mind, he has never advocated restraint in his entire career. His solution to everything is to bomb, invade, and occupy.