Should white people go back to Europe?

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Do you think white people's presence in the Americas is illegitimate? And what would Europeans think about us giving the land back to the First Nations and coming home?

How can asking someone to leave - when they have been born and raised in a country and when their ancestors have been living in the same country for centuries - be considered within the framework of "going back" or "going home"?

There is actually another ethical issue here.

As much as white people in the Americas may well be illegitimate, is it equally illegitimate to send them back to Europe now?

They may be white but they are not Europeans. They have rebelled as much to prove that point. Is it ethical to send the white people to Europe now when Europe never sent their ancestors?

A buddy in highschool told me he just had a dream "that they turned the whole USA into a national park. Sent all of the White people back to Europe, all of the Asians back to Asia, all of the Blacks back to Africa. And the mixed racial people-were all sent to South America."
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How would other countries react to your idea?


For Europeans- That would be alot of sudden immigration to deal with!

Places like England, Germany, and Italy, would have to accomidate a sudden fifty percent increase in their populations when all of the White Americans of those national ancestries returned "home" ( like me to Germany- well most of me comes from Germany- except Germany did not exist as a unified nation state back when my ancestors lived there).

Ireland would actually multiply in population- 8, 10, or maybe more, fold! The south of Ulster Irish Republic only has like four million people. But 30 or 40 million Americans are of mostly or entirely Irish descent.

One particular group of Americans who's ancestors came almost entirely from Eastern Europe you would probably want to give a second option to-which they almost always would take. This group being American Jews. Most American Jews came from the Austro Hungarian Empire, Poland, or from Czarist Russia,- thus from what are now the modern nations of eastern europe and the former soviet union. But youd probably give them the option of going to Israel instead of to eastern europe-which most would take.

So Israel would be delighted to suddenly more than double its population (to balance the higher birth rates of the palestinian arabs) for security reasons- despite the obvious problems that the sudden crowding would cause. But Europeans would not like this idea for their own countries.

The fourty million american blacks would be scattered along the former slave coasts of Africa- stretching from Senegal in the northwest down to Angola in the southwest- and then skipping Southern africa- and then starting again on the backside of africa in Mozambique, then stopping with mozambique.

Subsharan Africa is so vast that fourty million people could vanish into it without notice.

American blacks would probably NOT be very happy moving to the continent, but africans either would not even notice the influx of new people- or would benifit from having educated westerners moving in to help run the place.

Asian american numbers are small compared to the populations of their parent countries- broadly speaking.

The same argument could be made against bigoted republicans saying the same about Ulster Protestant unionists in Ireland, or white people in Oceania or white Africans and South Americans or, hell, people of South Asian descent in England.

Last edited by Tequila on 06 Oct 2012, 8:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

Almighty_CRJ, I didn't really understand what you said there. You realize that European is just a label? A socially produced, artificial label to describe one's geographical region and where he/she lives.

I think global emigration is unevitable, and that the Americas should remain how it is unless it gives the inhabitants of that place problems for not being more in touch with their distant ancestry and authenticly produced culture. But that may not be a problem.

Or against *anyone*. Who can seriously claim to be the original citizens of *any* country? Chimpanzees, perhaps...

Yup. There's a lot, lot more than just the examples I listed. And they don't just affect "white Europeans", not by a long chalk.

If we went down this road, half the world's population would be moved about the globe. Would white Americans get behind "send the blacks back to Africa/the Caribbean" talk?

And what about me? I may have quite a lot of Irish ancestry - a lot of people of Irish descent in England have ancestry all over the British Isles and perhaps European ancestry too. We're a mix of different people. Mixed race people are the same - they might "racially" come from two or more different places across the globe in recent history.

wouldnt we all end up in africa at one poin then?

if that is where modern human life started, then there it shall end.

The determination of legitimacy of occupation is to have the best weapons. Might makes right. It always has and it always will.

We have come to the Western Hemisphere to make it OUR hemisphere.

ruveyn

Italy wouldn't accept Luigi Fiedler because part of his origins are German, so they would send Luigi to Germany. Germany wouldn't accept Luigi Fiedler, because part of his origins are Italian, so they would send Luigi to Italy again.

That would be quite awkward for me, since I am not even South American, so ergo, I wouldn't be able to be sent "back home" unless Iceland took over Germany and China became annexed somehow with Germany. Short of a dramatic continental shift (in which much of Europe magically no longer existed and China, Germany and Iceland were one land-mass), that will not occur. I surmise the most logical thing to do would be to divide my body in three portions of equal weight and send one portion to each country ...

At this point in time it would be very impractical to try to send all of the people who aren't of Native American ethnicity to the countries their ancestors originated from. If everyone in America who isn't Native American were to abandon all of the buildings, cars, possessions, jobs, livestock, zoo animals, hospice patients, hazardous waste, and weapons of mass destruction in this country things could get pretty bad here and the rest of the world would be greatly impacted by it. It would also take thousands of years for the ecosystem of this country to return back to the way it was four hundred years ago. Europeans wouldn't be willing to accept all of the white people in America into their countries, and would be unhappy with them for taking their jobs and Americanizing their cultures. Europe wouldn't be able to handle the sudden change in population and wouldn't be able to provide housing and jobs for the influx of immigrants. America would become extremely underpopulated and there would only be enough people living here to occupy about a thousandth of the country. Their U.S. Dollars wouldn't be worth anything and they would probably take the houses, cars, possessions, and some of the jobs that were left behind. They would probably become more like the people who left these things behind. Someone, such as a dictator, would eventually fill the power vacuum that would be left after the the people who weren't Native American left. The Native Americans would probably want people to immigrate back to America to repopulate the country and work for them, and people living in the overpopulated Europe would probably willing accept. We would have to become slave workers living under an authoritarian government in America in order to survive because Europe wouldn't have the resources. Most Native Americans would become slave workers too. A few Native Americans would become extremely wealthy, but no one else would be. In the globalized world today a few hundred thousand Native Americans could't inhabit a piece of land this big without being influenced by foreign powers. There is also a good possibility that another foreign power would take over America after everyone who wasn't Native American left and there would be little means of defense against this power. We will never find out how all of this would work out because probably about 99% of the people in this country and other countries in the world think that it would be a bad idea, and few would be willing to deal with consequences. It's one of those things that's easier said than done.

Its always in a horrific context when conservative Englishmen speak of 'bigoted Irish'. It rings of Nick Griffin's latest twitter gaffe.

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You're subtly comparing me to the BNP again. Yawn.

From what I can tell, he isn't particularly wanted in NI by anyone. Nick Griffin and Northern Ireland apparently have a long history, and he's pissed off a fair few people over there (not necessarily republicans either) over the years.

No, I'm not.

However, when it comes to anglo-borne hibernophobia, Its of no coincidence that the BNP and old school, brandy supping tories of the UKIP persuasion have a lap over in thought process. There has been a constant war of words within the English establishment class for the better part of a thousand years to intellectually and culturally discredit the case for all-Ireland autonomy.

Nick Griffin shares this view, and I gather so does UKIP (shock and awe).

No he isn't. Although some disenfranchised unionist people find their rhetoric seductive, which is a frightening precedence.