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23 Jul 2013, 1:43 pm

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Unconditioned election is double election with irresistible grace. Lutherans believe in single election only.

No matter who the elect and the damned turn out to be, God still creates people with the intention that they will be damned. A creator is a being infinitely worse than the most awful mass murderers. Who would worship such an entity? That is the problem, as I see it.


Hm, we Lutherans have always figured we believed in unconditional grace, but without the double predestination or irresistible grace. And while predestination is part of our theology, it was never in the forefront like our concept of grace is.

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23 Jul 2013, 2:20 pm

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I think the God in the bible is horrible.


As a Baháʾí, I think that the God of the Bible, the God of the Qurʾān, and the God of all revealed religions is a wonderful, loving Being Who would offer mercy to anyone who desires it - whether in this world or in the worlds after death.


First I want to compliment you on your wonderful speaking voice; I found on your videos.

Second; I haven't looked into your faith of religion. But, I can't imagine a more beautiful 'perfect' belief than what you describe. I am sure there is plenty of information on your website. I am going to pursue it. Thanks for sharing here.


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23 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

Off topic. Is it just me or is this Royal Baby making the internet slow today?


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23 Jul 2013, 6:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Hm, we Lutherans have always figured we believed in unconditional grace, but without the double predestination or irresistible grace. And while predestination is part of our theology, it was never in the forefront like our concept of grace is.


Yes. Luther was a nominalist (at least initially), so he did not reify predestination like Calvin.


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23 Jul 2013, 6:56 pm

aghogday wrote:
First I want to compliment you on your wonderful speaking voice; I found on your videos.


Thank you. :P I worked as radio talent, off an on, for many years.

aghogday wrote:
Second; I haven't looked into your faith of religion. But, I can't imagine a more beautiful 'perfect' belief than what you describe. I am sure there is plenty of information on your website. I am going to pursue it. Thanks for sharing here.


Thank you again. There is also the official Baháʾí website.


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