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01 Aug 2013, 12:33 pm

Well ... I have to admit that even my previous post is largely a cherry-picked strawman argument.

I'm waiting for a thread from the opposing camp to be started.

EDIT: Never mind.It's already been done here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt49231.html



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01 Aug 2013, 12:40 pm

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You believe


I have no idea who this ambiguous "you" happens to be. However, you made it obvious from your posting that you are a conspiracy theorist. (There is an evil bogeyman, and he is out to get you.)


:roll: :roll:

I'll walk you through it...
The heading of this thread is:
"You know you're a left-winger if..."
My response is "You" followed by some common liberal beliefs.


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01 Aug 2013, 12:45 pm

Can you keep it down to the five most offensive traits, the long list are too boring=DNR.



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01 Aug 2013, 1:05 pm

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My response is "You" followed by some common liberal beliefs.


Which kind of liberalism? Economic liberalism is called "capitalism." Perhaps you mean progressivism. The left, on the other hand, is no more liberal than Italian Fascism was conservative.


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01 Aug 2013, 1:36 pm

/\ It should be obvious by my list that I was talking about social liberalism as we know it today, but whatever..........


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01 Aug 2013, 1:45 pm

Raptor wrote:
My response is "You" followed by some common liberal beliefs.

Most of those are biased caricatures of liberal beliefs.



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01 Aug 2013, 1:54 pm

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- You're against the free market and the globalization, but you're reading this on a MacBook

Liberals aren't against markets even global ones, but none of them are free, all of them are under-regulated, which is the problem. Liberals believe in regulating capitalism in order to keep it humane.

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You see yourself as the perfect feminist, but you still support Hamas

I've never known any liberals to support Hamas. Although we do have legitimate complaints about Israel, even if some of us have Israeli relatives.


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- Abortion at 7 months should be allowed, as anything less would mean that someone else tries to tell you what to do with your body. Assisted euthanasia should not be allowed, as terminally ill people should not be allowed to do what they want with their bodies

I believe 6 months is the present law, I don't know anyone who supports 7, and I don't know any liberal who doesn't support euthanasia for the terminally ill.

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You dislike both religion and religious people, but you still defend religiously motivated terrorism

This is fair, since many liberals blame the USA for terrorism, like Noam Chompsky.

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You're on wellfare checks, but you hate the government

Ha, ha, that would be conservatives from the south. Liberals don't hate government, only tea party goons.

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Being an upper-middle class spoiled brat and a radical who wants to "fight the power" sounds familiar

Paradoxically, it is those people who have the time and education to realize the abuses of power that go on, everyone more poor than that is too busy trying to make a living. (And that's how the oligarchy likes it to stay)

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Someone who holds a master's degree in law or science and has a hellish student loan should pay much more in taxes. You, on the other hand, who sweep the floor at KFC and never lifted a finger to get an education shouldn't have to pay taxes at all

Obviously, they receive more income. And everyone does pay some form of tax, even if it's just unemployment insurance.

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Everyone who disagrees with you is either a misgyonist, a religious zealot or a neocon

Quite a lot of them are.



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You'll post in this thread and defend your left-wing views

Of course! Proud of it.



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01 Aug 2013, 2:00 pm

The OP forgot the part about being tragically born without a sense of humor.


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01 Aug 2013, 2:18 pm

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Liberals aren't against markets even global ones, but none of them are free, all of them are under-regulated, which is the problem. Liberals believe in regulating capitalism in order to keep it humane.


Liberals are center-right--and almost as capitalist as the conservatives.

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I've never known any liberals to support Hamas. Although we do have legitimate complaints about Israel, even if some of us have Israeli relatives.


I'm refering to left-wingers. They're more common in the EU/EEA area, but many young and ignorant Americans are socialsts as well.

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I believe 6 months is the present law, I don't know anyone who supports 7, and I don't know any liberal who doesn't support euthanasia for the terminally ill.


Plenty of European socialists support the forced abortions in China.

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This is fair, since many liberals blame the USA for terrorism, like Noam Chompsky.


Noam Chomsky is a left-wing counterpiece to Glenn Beck.

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Ha, ha, that would be conservatives from the south. Liberals don't hate government, only tea party goons.


The Tea Party and the socialists are mainly the same people. The difference is who got to brainwash them first.

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Paradoxically, it is those people who have the time and education to realize the abuses of power that go on, everyone more poor than that is too busy trying to make a living. (And that's how the oligarchy likes it to stay)


According to Fons Trompenaars, Geerth Hofstede and Richard Gesteland, no country whatsoever has a more achievement based system than the US.

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Obviously, they receive more income. And everyone does pay some form of tax, even if it's just unemployment insurance.


Because they work harder and was losing money back when the KFC employee was making them.

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Quite a lot of them are.


Both the worst homophobes and the worst racists here in Europe are left-wing. Most of the feminists that actually achieve something here are center-right.



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01 Aug 2013, 2:21 pm

You know your a left winger if:
You think brain damaging narcotics like marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, should be legal, but think that soda, trans fat, and salt, are so harmful that they should be banned.
you care more about the content of school lunches then the quality of the content in classes.
you think the occupy movement looting stores and raping people is free expression
you think that the tea party is a bigger threat than Al-Qaida
you think that stop and frisk is racist, even though it prevented thousands of minorities from being killed
you love the government when its giving you stuff, but hate it when it expects you to follow the law.
you don't recognize that the disintegration of the family has negative consequences
you accuse republicans of a war on women, but vote for people like Antony Weiner and Elliot Spitzer
You say that you hate sexism, but want it to be legal to put women into the sexual slavery of prostitution
you say that you hate sexism, but think that gender selection abortion should be legal
you want more money to fight poverty, but don't want the government to check how effective an anti poverty program is
you cant tell that gang culture is not black culture
you think that expecting responsibility from black people is racist
you think the police fighting crime is racist, but leaving criminals to run free in minority communities isn't
you say you believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, but even after people are proven guilty you still think their innocent, and demand the destruction of the law that convicted them
you deny that morality exists, but believe that anyone who does is evil
you deny that immoral actions are harmful, put cry of the harm caused by slightest economic disadvantage
you say the rich are evil, but you make exceptions for the ones in Hollywood, the DNC, or your own trust fund
you believe in restorative justice, even for rapists and pedophiles
you believe that being poor makes people steal
you are for gay marriage and oppose strait marriage
you think the only evil things are money and religion



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01 Aug 2013, 2:23 pm

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Both the worst homophobes and the worst racists here in Europe are left-wing.


You can't be serious?



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01 Aug 2013, 2:29 pm

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Both the worst homophobes and the worst racists here in Europe are left-wing.


You can't be serious?


Of course I am. Antisemitism is on the rise among left-wingers here, and to make it even more ironic, these are commonly people who don't give a damn about human right violations in the Arab world, in left-wing Latin American countries or in Africa. The fact of the matter is that many of them regularly defended the persecution of homosexuals in Easter Europe as recently as the 1990s.



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01 Aug 2013, 2:39 pm

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The left's attacks on Israel are proof enough of antisemitism.


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01 Aug 2013, 2:52 pm

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The left's attacks on Israel are proof enough of antisemitism.


Many of them attack the Jewish people and culture more than Israel, but ignoring all that happens in Iran while still bitching about anything that happens in Israel, can't be motivated by anything but antisemitism. All those high and mighty left-wingers in Europe and the US, aren't living right next door to Hamas--and thus they do not have to make any of the difficult choices the Israeli government has had to make.



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01 Aug 2013, 3:04 pm

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The left's attacks on Israel are proof enough of antisemitism.


Many of them attack the Jewish people and culture more than Israel, but ignoring all that happens in Iran while still bitching about anything that happens in Israel, can't be motivated by anything but antisemitism. All those high and mighty left-wingers in Europe and the US, aren't living right next door to Hamas--and thus they do not have to make any of the difficult choices the Israeli government has had to make.


Israel is about 3/4 Jewish so I figure an attack on one is an attack on the other. I agree that the American and European left's criticism of how Israel handles conflicts with it's neighbors is bogus. Israel is located in a bad neighborhood and, if anything, their neighbors are less civil.


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01 Aug 2013, 3:27 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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The left's attacks on Israel are proof enough of antisemitism.


Many of them attack the Jewish people and culture more than Israel, but ignoring all that happens in Iran while still bitching about anything that happens in Israel, can't be motivated by anything but antisemitism. All those high and mighty left-wingers in Europe and the US, aren't living right next door to Hamas--and thus they do not have to make any of the difficult choices the Israeli government has had to make.


Israel is about 3/4 Jewish so I figure an attack on one is an attack on the other. I agree that the American and European left's criticism of how Israel handles conflicts with it's neighbors is bogus. Israel is located in a bad neighborhood and, if anything, their neighbors are less civil.

You don't have to be antisemistic to consider that both Israel and Palestine act stupidly and that their acts generally only further the conflict. Even more stupid is that it been proven from genetic testing that they are of the same people. (Something not very well know, propably because it's not a popular idea from one side or the other.) But that's not suprising that they act stupidly, they are humans after all. :roll: