Should the authorities admit defeat in the war on drugs?

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Robdemanc
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05 Aug 2013, 7:09 am

This article shows that the drug trade is really taking the p*ss now.

Cannabis found in city pots

Surely if people are cultivating it in such an open way then it is clear the authorities have no chance in ever stopping this industry.



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05 Aug 2013, 8:37 am

Should the authorities admit defeat in the war on drugs?

Yes but they won't.

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But by the time police were told and went to examine the specimens they had already been harvested.

There's no way those plants had produced a crop. There some welsh kids smoking leaves wondering why they aren't stoned.



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05 Aug 2013, 9:48 am

LOL. Possibly but those plants had been growing a few months from the looks of them before anyone noticed. But I suppose most people don't know what cannabis plants look like.



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05 Aug 2013, 10:09 am

This happened in my country too:

Prankster plants pot...

I love it! This is a great form of peaceful protest.



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05 Aug 2013, 10:21 am

Robdemanc wrote:
This article shows that the drug trade is really taking the p*ss now.

Cannabis found in city pots

Surely if people are cultivating it in such an open way then it is clear the authorities have no chance in ever stopping this industry.


One would think that the experience with Prohibition in the early 20 th century would teach us that it is futile. If people want something they will get it one way or another and legality be damned!!



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05 Aug 2013, 10:28 am

Robdemanc wrote:
LOL. Possibly but those plants had been growing a few months from the looks of them before anyone noticed. But I suppose most people don't know what cannabis plants look like.


Average growth conditions would see around 2 inches per day, optimum 6 inches per day.

This growth rate is one reason hemp was such a popular crop before the clampdown. Also highlights the ridiculous state of putting political policy before practicality.



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05 Aug 2013, 11:49 am

Dont you think admitting defeat is something beautiful?
They say a samurai bloomed at the moment of his death which didnt last long.
I have always admired the samurais whom kills themselves instead of accepting shame.

I actually belive that I have the problems that I have, and that we have Aspergers is because we are reasonable with the NTs and they do not accept defeat and "kill" themselves metaphorically. Which makes us suffer much more than we should. I am quite sure that there was a time when I had above 120 IQ while now they say I have 70. Loss.



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05 Aug 2013, 11:53 am

The samurai should have grown themselves some weed and got stoned, they might have calmed down a fair bit and stopped chopping heads off everywhere they went.



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05 Aug 2013, 12:07 pm

death is not a problem. Pain is a problem. Therefore you need weed. But if there is no pain. I dont mind a life where there is birth and death.

As one Zen Buddhist told me once: It is not life and death. It is birth and death. Because you dont have to be alive.



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05 Aug 2013, 12:37 pm

Ann2011 wrote:
This happened in my country too:

Prankster plants pot...

I love it! This is a great form of peaceful protest.


Yes it is a good way of protesting. I find it bizarre that police have to be called because of a plant growing where it shouldn't be.



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05 Aug 2013, 1:04 pm

The "war on drugs" in the US is a sham. If they ended it tomorrow (they won't) I wouldn't mind one little bit.


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05 Aug 2013, 4:27 pm

But then what about all the prison guards, judges, probation/parole officers, and prosecutors that'd lose their jobs?

I personally hope our incarceration rate goes to 1000 per 1000K, just so we can create more jobs and have our great wonderful government workers have nice jobs with good wages.

The new economy.



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05 Aug 2013, 5:18 pm

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But then what about all the prison guards, judges, probation/parole officers, and prosecutors that'd lose their jobs?

I personally hope our incarceration rate goes to 1000 per 1000K, just so we can create more jobs and have our great wonderful government workers have nice jobs with good wages.

The new economy.


That's probably the biggest reason we still have a "war on drugs", the empires built for enforcement are too big to allow it's demise.


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05 Aug 2013, 5:53 pm

Raptor wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
But then what about all the prison guards, judges, probation/parole officers, and prosecutors that'd lose their jobs?

I personally hope our incarceration rate goes to 1000 per 1000K, just so we can create more jobs and have our great wonderful government workers have nice jobs with good wages.

The new economy.


That's probably the biggest reason we still have a "war on drugs", the empires built for enforcement are too big to allow it's demise.


The Prison Industry. Too Big To Fail.

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07 Aug 2013, 5:15 pm

No, they should keep fighting the war, but do a 180 degree turn with their strategy.

Make dangerous drugs which are in demand for recreational use available in pharmacies over the counter (with or without prescription, but with a considerable but not excessive fee attached). Like most drugs, they'd need to be sold with a booklet explaining dosage, how to take them safely, and the risks and side effects. One idea could be creating new clinics to give this advice and hand out prescriptions to people who'd been informed.

Anyway, there's much more money to be made selling drugs and treating addicts than there is locking people up.

Combined US prison budget for 2009: ~$60 billion (https://sites.google.com/site/education ... ison-sytem)
US spend on illegal drugs: ~$65 billion http://www.justice.gov/dea/ops/money.shtml

And that's without considering the jobs that would open up, particularly in healthcare.

(Assuming that in both cases, the private sector would be benefiting from the spending and not the public sector)



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07 Aug 2013, 7:02 pm

The real reason that the government will not admit defeat in the "War on Drugs" is that the leaders of the government would have to admit that they had been beaten by people on drugs!