Mitch McConnell: Tea Party Is "Ruining" GOP

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So you accuse me of lying about my time in the service? I know about GQ, and yes, everyone has their station. Are you proposing that every member of the military be mobilized to a non-stop combat readiness status? Illegal immigration is definitely not an invasion where those coming over are looking to subjugate those already here.

No, but I am calling you disingenuous. The armed forces keep their battle stations manned until the threat has passed. The rpimary job of the military isn't to push papers, maintain copying machines, weld, or any similar activities. The ONLY purpose of the military is to protect the country, which means keeping out those who don't belong here.

Nor does subjugation have to occur for it to be an invasion. If somebody enters your home without your permission, they are invading regardless of whether they are "subjugating" you.

What defeatism? I am against illegal immigration. I just don't see it as some all consuming problem that we should address to the exclusion of all other things.

You are a proponent of using deadly force against people who are just looking for a better life? Americans aren't defending their homes against illegal immigrants. They are not some sort of attackers that need to be exterminated.

So, you are against illegal immigration but just don't think it's important enough to do anything about? If that position is different than being for it, I find the distinction to be academic at best.

I am absolutely proposing the use of deadly force to protect and defend this country's borders; this is the ONLY valid reason why our armed forces are armed. As far as those looking for a "better life", I want Americans, who are the rightful owners of this country to have a better life. And too many of them are unemployed right now because of immigrants competing with them for scarce jobs. Americans should come first in their own country.

Just to respond to your melodramatic statement on "extermination", I'm only in favor of protecting US borders, NOT invading other countries. The ONLY valid function of the US armed forces is to defend this country--not to attack countries that have done nothing to us, such as Iraq or Iran--or Mexico for that matter.

I will take the liberal position of open borders seriously when liberals begin to open their homes to anybody who cares to move in for a "better life". I'm sure you have rooms you aren't using that some poor, needy person could use. And even if you don't, you could share your bed with these people looking for a "better life". No, this country belongs to the American people, and we have the right to decide who comes in and who does not.

Nah, they really didn't. Smallpox eliminated 99% of the entire native population. Nevermind the absurdity of building a wall along the entire east coast.

I acknowledge that America has committed acts of genocide against them, just as the Germans acknowledge the actions of the Nazi Party. That's all we can do. Remember the atrocities of the past, and demand that they never take place again. Flippantly dismissing them is irresponsible.

I am only saying that illegal immigration is not the most important issue facing this country. Not by a long shot. Yes, something should be done about it, but right now there are so many other more important things to worry about. What is so hard for you to understand about that? I also have issues with people going over the speed limit, but I'm not going to call for a massive increase in troopers to monitor the highways because there are much more important things for them to worry about.

I disagree emphatically. Immigration is the ONLY issue that matters right now. What immigration will guarantee is that Americans become a despised minority in their own country. What open borders guarantees is civil war in this country. Tell me, do Arabs and Indians have a right to countries of their own? If so, why aren't you willing to acknowledge that Americans have the same rights? Why do you consider me to be less human that others?

If you want the real culprit behind the majority of the disappearing jobs, then look to technological improvement. A factory that would have needed 5,000 employees to operate 50 years ago can likely operate even more efficiently with a few hundred. There are thousands of jobs that keep disappearing because of technological improvements, and the internet has eliminated so many more. How many retail jobs do you think this country is going to add from this point forward? For crying out loud, warehouses are rapidly transitioning to almost entirely machine run operations. With self driving vehicles, you are likely to see a few hundred thousand truck drivers out of work within 20 years, along with taxi drivers, bus drivers, and countless other jobs where being in the driver's seat is required. And drone technology is going to eliminate the need for pilots (passenger and cargo). Sea lane shipping will likely follow.

Nonsense. The jobs have simply been offshored to the places with the cheapest labor. China is booming right now, and the concern is that there will soon be a labor shortage. I just don't understand your callous disregard for Americans, sir. Should we all just starve and disappear from the earth? Are we former people?

And do you realize how few American citizens are willing to do backbreaking agriculktural labor for minimum wage? I'll give you hint: few enough that in some areas that have increased the severity of immigration law there are whole crops that rot in the fields.

So, you believe those Americans are just lazy and no good, huh? How do you explain then that we created a country that your ancestors wanted to immigrate to?

If you worry about jobs, maybe we should spend money on creating them and stop spending it on laws that are easily abused to discriminate against anyone without a pasty white complexion?

Ah, now we come to the crux of it: You don't like white people. Am I being melodramatic? I would say not since I can't imagine you talking so cavalierly about people with an "excrement brown complexion"? Why don't you leave your racial hatreds out of this? It is indecent.

As far as socialism goes, which I assume is what you are referring to by "spending money to create jobs", are you not aware that this approach has been a dismal failure wherever it has been tried? The fact that America has never been this way explains why it is an immigrant magnet.

Thelibrarian wrote:
Just to respond to your melodramatic statement on "extermination", I'm only in favor of protecting US borders, NOT invading other countries. The ONLY valid function of the US armed forces is to defend this country--not to attack countries that have done nothing to us, such as Iraq or Iran--or Mexico for that matter.


I never said anything about invading other countries. I was talking about your call to exterminate any illegal immigrants to this country, which to me seems to be violent extremism.

A country that isn't willing to use lethal force to defend itself isn't long for this world, with sounds to be just what you want for the American people. This is standard Political Correctness, which makes the very existence of an American nation into some kind of immoral act. Sorry, I find your position to be extreme, as well as highly irrational, as I'm sure you wouldn't say the same for Third World peoples fending off imperialism. Your position sounds suspiciously like the imperialism of old.

Nah, they really didn't. Smallpox eliminated 99% of the entire native population. Nevermind the absurdity of building a wall along the entire east coast.

Actually, European diseases eliminated about ninety percent of American Indians, as well as those in Mexico and Central America.

As far as building a wall along the east coast goes, I will leave you to fight with your straw man. I understand it is how liberals prove their courage.

I acknowledge that America has committed acts of genocide against them, just as the Germans acknowledge the actions of the Nazi Party. That's all we can do. Remember the atrocities of the past, and demand that they never take place again. Flippantly dismissing them is irresponsible.

Genocide? Do you even know what genocide is? If Americans had wanted to commit genocide against the Indians, there wouldn't be any around.

BTW, it is ironic you sent me the picture you did, which is obviously of the trail of tears. The reason Jackson orchestrated this move was because he was sickened by the Puritan approach to dealing with their Indian tribes, which was real genocide. Jackson removed them to Oklahoma to prevent genocide, both in terms of needless slaughter, and to allow them to practice their cultures. Again, the Puritans, the proto-liberals, wiped out most of their tribes to extinction. It is another example of how liberalism is the most intolerant force on earth.

I don't feel guilty at all. Do you? How do you atone for all of these alleged sins? Do you flagellate yourself? Do you sit around in sack cloth and ashes?

Regarding if genocide applies to the treatment of Native Americans - it certainly wasn't due to lack of trying in ridding the landscape of the original inhabitants. And even if the intent hadn't been to eliminate their whole population, the actions of the military, civil government, and many of the settlers had put their survival in doubt for a very long time. Even when they had been given land on reservations, it was more a matter of keeping them as far away and out of sight from the whites who despised them than it was for any benefit for the Native Americans.

The moderator Talleyman has just informed me that I am no longer welcome here. Leave it to the cowardly French to censor ideas they object to.

I wish the rest of you well.