Benevolent sexism

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Oh AP stop trolling all the feminists! If they're particularly sensitive it's perfectly understandable because lots of women DO have to deal with a lot of sexist BS on the day to day. It's not some kind of conspiracy, I've seen plenty of it with my own eyes.

AP, in what context did you mean the word "creatures" when you used it back there?

The word creatures is often used when referring to humanity in general. For example: "humans are such selfish creatures" or "humans are such strange creatures", etc. It's usually used when making a generalization about how people often do things that are dumb and "primal" sounding.

I was taking the subtitle of your original article

Women are not a mystical, nice-smelling collective

and chose the word "creatures" because it means humans (at least in a subset of the dictionary definition), and starts with the same letter as "collective."

By the same token, one could take offense at her use of the word "collective", because the word "collective" could also be used to refer to non-humans. For example, collective fruits are fruits that are formed from multiple flowers, such as mulberries and pineapples.

Most women do bathe regularly, and do smell quite nice. So, why isn't anyone taking offense at her implication that women are stinky?

She might just as well have said: "Women are a bunch of non-mystical, foul-smelling fruits."

Grushenka was referred to as a creature in the Brothers Karamazov.It was not used in a nice way.Maybe a polite way of calling a woman a female dog or worse.

See? A female author, using the word "creatures" to refer to men.

Suppose she had written: "My brother believed in all sorts of mythical creatures: pixies, dragons, werewolves, honest women."

On the warpath, now?

I think both men and women should speak of each other with respect.

As a true egalitarian I despise everyone equally.


Does it not occur to anyone that there cannot be a solution to any of these problems ever?

Yeah, I see respect as something that can be lost rather than needing to be earned. And only individuals can lose my respect, not enormous groups like 'men'.

With the Feminists, it does seem that a guy can dig himself into a hole, even unintentionally, really fast. Several pages already, to justify one word.

Some more quotes where the word "creature" is applied to people

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/creatures

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywo ... ature.html
































The quotes go on, and on, and on, and on. I trust that I am satisfactorily exonerated, at least for this one imagined transgression against Feminist sensitivities.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdO81D51J30[/youtube]

Women and men are different, that's not saying they don't deserve equality or justifies sexism, you as an Aspie you surely realize your brain is different yet that doesn't mean you don't deserve the same respect as NTs, right? Or do you also think that the difference between Aspies and NTs is only cultural?

Scientific researchers wouldn't agree with you that only culture makes the differences between women and men, not only they differ in sex organs and chromosomes but studies after studies of all kinds, biological, physiological, psychological, neurological, MRA Scans... show how fundamentally women and men are different, even their brain structures are different, how things process in their heads are different, how they perceive things and emotions are different, the distribution of the average IQ scores differ (like verbal vs spatial). In fact, the neurological difference between women and men's brains is probably more obvious and significant than the difference between Aspies and NTs of the same gender.

Also, culture isn't an independent entity that has emerged from nowhere, it has emerged from our nature as human beings, have you ever wondered for example, why the historic Protective role of males was and still apparent in almost all cultures? Whether in Cowboy culture, through the French Marketeer and going as far to the Samurai? Because it simply stems from a biological reality: men are physically stronger and women became much physically vulnerable during pregnancy, that biological model is due to million of years of evolution as a species.

We can be egalitarian without denying scientific and biological facts.

Really, when people make this argument or argue against calling out bigotry, it suggests that they don't like people challenging the prejudiced BS that they spew. I like the idea of making bigots uncomfortable.

If I misunderstood, and you meant the problem of people feigning ignorance with the aim of shutting down a discussion that threatens their belief in a just world for everyone else and persecution for people like themselves, then yeah, there's probably no solution for that. You can't make people examine their own minds.

Anyone reading the last few pages of this topic with an open mind should have no trouble figuring out who takes the discussion seriously and who just wants to act cute.

Actually, you can, if you know how. What you can also do is make them reach the conclusions that you would like them to reach. Would you like to have that superpower?

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while you think about that

how exactly is the world just when anyone is persecuted in it?

About the first part, do tell. About the second part, it makes sense for maintaining positive self-esteem therefore it doesn't have to make logical sense. Psychology, people! Even hyper-logical Aspies have logical inconsistencies in their thinking about their own attitudes and behavior.

Whose positive self-esteem is being maintained and isn't it done at the expense of someone else's? In which case, what is just about that?

This is a situation where there always has to be someone losing out - hence my original comment. There cannnot be agreement (solution), ever. Unless we use a ray gun and make everyones minds think exactly the same thoughts - do you think this would be a just solution?