Conservative christians are devil worshippers

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01 Jan 2014, 4:49 pm

That's at least the idea of one who say to be the archdruid of america.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.ca/2013/12/a-christmas-speculation.html

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Yet these latter are the things that a great many Republicans, and in particular a great many of those Republicans who claim to be motivated by their Christian faith, have been pursuing in practice, if not always advocating in theory. If they’re deriving their commitments from a religion, it’s pretty clearly not the one taught by Jesus. Many people have made this same point in recent years, but it doesn’t seem to have occurred to any of them that another religion that’s active in today’s America does teach all the things the GOP supports. That religion, of course, is Satanism, and more specifically the version of it taught in Anton Szandor LaVey’s The Satanic Bible.

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01 Jan 2014, 10:37 pm

I suspect those conservative Christians don't actually realize that they're falling for what Anton LeVay had taught, or that Ayn Rand in fact stood for everything that Christ opposed.


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02 Jan 2014, 12:21 am

There's always hypocrites in every group, but calling all Christians and/or conservatives devil worshjpers crosses the line many times over.


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02 Jan 2014, 12:35 am

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
There's always hypocrites in every group, but calling all Christians and/or conservatives devil worshjpers crosses the line many times over.

Any "Christians" that would advocate the use of violence, or that would use their religious doctrines as justification for conquest through the mass slaughter of indigenous people are not worshiping the Christ.



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02 Jan 2014, 12:37 am

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Moviefan2k4 wrote:
There's always hypocrites in every group, but calling all Christians and/or conservatives devil worshjpers crosses the line many times over.

Any "Christians" that would advocate the use of violence, or that would use their religious doctrines as justification for conquest through the mass slaughter of indigenous people are not worshiping the Christ.


Absolutely.


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02 Jan 2014, 1:17 am

I feel hypocrisy is operationally a core value of Christianity.
Christian dogma requires you to believe the devil is real.



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02 Jan 2014, 4:58 am

Fnord wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
There's always hypocrites in every group, but calling all Christians and/or conservatives devil worshjpers crosses the line many times over.

Any "Christians" that would advocate the use of violence, or that would use their religious doctrines as justification for conquest through the mass slaughter of indigenous people are not worshiping the Christ.
Jesus drove people out of Solomon's Temple with a whip, because they dishonored the spiritual purpose that place was originally built for.


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02 Jan 2014, 5:01 am

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I feel hypocrisy is operationally a core value of Christianity.
Christian dogma requires you to believe the devil is real.
"The devil's finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist." ~Charles Baudelaire~


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02 Jan 2014, 8:26 am

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
There's always hypocrites in every group, but calling all Christians and/or conservatives devil worshjpers crosses the line many times over.
Any "Christians" that would advocate the use of violence, or that would use their religious doctrines as justification for conquest through the mass slaughter of indigenous people are not worshiping the Christ.
Jesus drove people out of Solomon's Temple with a whip, because they dishonored the spiritual purpose that place was originally built for.

"God-fearing", European "Christians" nearly wiped out the native Americans with guns, because those natives happened to occupy the land that the Europeans wanted for themselves.

Yeah ... that took a lot of 'guts' ... :roll: No ... it took greed ... and the Devil ...



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02 Jan 2014, 8:58 am

Tollorin wrote:
That's at least the idea of one who say to be the archdruid of america.


Well, since it is now pretty clear his "faith" historically practiced human sacrifice on a mass scale as well as the occasional bit of cannibalism, I'd say take what he says with a grain of salt. Or two. Viz:

Druids Committed Human Sacrifice, Cannibalism? (link)

Assuming the doggerel he believes isn't just something somebody pulled out of their rear end in the late 19th Century. Which it probably is.


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02 Jan 2014, 9:19 am

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I suspect those conservative Christians don't actually realize that they're falling for what Anton LeVay had taught,


Actually a lot of what LaVey supposedly wrote in the Satanic Bible was out and out plagiarism.

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or that Ayn Rand in fact stood for everything that Christ opposed.


Some of the harshest criticism of Rand has actually come from Conservatives. Though, admittedly the most famous example that comes to mind was done in 1957, back when American conservatism owed more to Edmund Burke than Leon Trotsky.

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From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: " To the gas chambers — go!" The same inflexibly self-righteous stance results, too (in the total absence of any saving humor), in odd extravagances of inflection and gesture — that Dollar Sign, for example. At first, we try to tell ourselves that these are just lapses, that this mind has, somehow, mislaid the discriminating knack that most of us pray will warn us in time of the differences between what is effective and firm, and what is wildly grotesque and excessive. Soon we suspect something worse.


Not necessarily the fairest criticism, mind you. But if you ever come across a true-believer Randroid this book review will just about always wind them up. And Rand certainly never referred to herself as a conservative of any stripe. Her preferred appellation was as a "radical for capitalism."

FWIW, the above book review also set off a huge feud between William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ayn Rand. Kind of an amusing historical curiosity at this point.


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02 Jan 2014, 11:50 am

My impression of Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged was it was a reaction to Stalinist USSR. Her predictions in Atlas Shrugged is what actually happened in the former USSR.

For instants take Soviet era washing machines. They essentially did not work. So everyone washed closes by hand, even if they were one of those lucky few who had a washing machine. I suppose a Soviet era washing machine was more a form of bling. There are a ton of things like this.

Atlas Shrugged is about the former USSR and her warning, you sure don't want to go that way.



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02 Jan 2014, 1:32 pm

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My impression of Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged was it was a reaction to Stalinist USSR. Her predictions in Atlas Shrugged is what actually happened in the former USSR.

For instants take Soviet era washing machines. They essentially did not work. So everyone washed closes by hand, even if they were one of those lucky few who had a washing machine. I suppose a Soviet era washing machine was more a form of bling. There are a ton of things like this.

Atlas Shrugged is about the former USSR and her warning, you sure don't want to go that way.


Plenty of conservatives today use her to justify radical individualism in America, where no one owes anyone else a hand up, and the sense that we're a society where everyone is of worth is denied.


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02 Jan 2014, 1:47 pm

WorldsEdge wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I suspect those conservative Christians don't actually realize that they're falling for what Anton LeVay had taught,


Actually a lot of what LaVey supposedly wrote in the Satanic Bible was out and out plagiarism.

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or that Ayn Rand in fact stood for everything that Christ opposed.


Some of the harshest criticism of Rand has actually come from Conservatives. Though, admittedly the most famous example that comes to mind was done in 1957, back when American conservatism owed more to Edmund Burke than Leon Trotsky.

See here. (link)

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From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: " To the gas chambers — go!" The same inflexibly self-righteous stance results, too (in the total absence of any saving humor), in odd extravagances of inflection and gesture — that Dollar Sign, for example. At first, we try to tell ourselves that these are just lapses, that this mind has, somehow, mislaid the discriminating knack that most of us pray will warn us in time of the differences between what is effective and firm, and what is wildly grotesque and excessive. Soon we suspect something worse.


Not necessarily the fairest criticism, mind you. But if you ever come across a true-believer Randroid this book review will just about always wind them up. And Rand certainly never referred to herself as a conservative of any stripe. Her preferred appellation was as a "radical for capitalism."

FWIW, the above book review also set off a huge feud between William F. Buckley, Jr. and Ayn Rand. Kind of an amusing historical curiosity at this point.


Ah, Rand refers to those in need as "looters," in Fountain Head. I'm surprised the right hasn't added that term to their lexicon to describe the down and out, along with "takers," and "eaters."


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02 Jan 2014, 1:49 pm

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Hell, I don't have to read Rand when you're willing to do it for me and pick out the tidbits I want.
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02 Jan 2014, 1:51 pm

I found of list once that listed over 800 denominations that fall under the Christian heading.

That's 800 different theologic organisations, some of which were wildly "out there", yet they all fall within the "Christian" nameplate.

There's little wonder people get confused when they see someone calling themselves a Christian doing something completely at odds with what they'd expect of a Christian. But to lump us all together and critasize us wholesale is stupid.

Besides that; anything a archdruid says on a subject not of his faith should be taken with cynicism anyway.