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03 Mar 2014, 3:17 pm

It's been replaced with conflict resolution. True or false?



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03 Mar 2014, 3:26 pm

What do you define as real war?


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03 Mar 2014, 3:30 pm

salamandaqwerty wrote:
What do you define as real war?

For America, the last one was Vietnam.



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03 Mar 2014, 3:32 pm

Vietnamistan


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03 Mar 2014, 3:37 pm

salamandaqwerty wrote:
Vietnamistan

If your video choice refers to Afghanistan, this is an example of conflict resolution:
1. isolation
2. invasion
3. restraint
4. retreat.



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03 Mar 2014, 3:42 pm

A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently


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03 Mar 2014, 3:59 pm

salamandaqwerty wrote:
A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently

Of course, sadly, someone is going to die in any conflict, regardless of how small unless it's just a fist fight that is broken up quickly.
Old fashioned war mentality is to just keep sending in men until goals are reached, enemy is subdued, enforcing a draft if need be, with exceptionally heavy casualties on every front.
Conflict resolution has casualties but efforts are made to keep them minimal and destruction, if necessary, will occur. Diplomacy, management, and other non combat methods are favored instead of the send them all in and let them die approach.
Conflict resolution has a plan that involves retreat when the conflict has been resolved. People tend to view this as losing the war, if they are in the invading country, when in reality, there are no winners or losers in wars only losers. Conflict resolution seeks to make everyone stronger, not weaker, in this respect.



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03 Mar 2014, 4:16 pm

During the current situation in Ukraine many Russian soldiers did not even have a magazine in their rifles. Not much of a war with empty guns.



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03 Mar 2014, 4:18 pm

cant resist...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSq5aCZO5n8[/youtube]


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03 Mar 2014, 4:20 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently

Of course, sadly, someone is going to die in any conflict, regardless of how small unless it's just a fist fight that is broken up quickly.
Old fashioned war mentality is to just keep sending in men until goals are reached, enemy is subdued, enforcing a draft if need be, with exceptionally heavy casualties on every front.
Conflict resolution has casualties but efforts are made to keep them minimal and destruction, if necessary, will occur. Diplomacy, management, and other non combat methods are favored instead of the send them all in and let them die approach.
Conflict resolution has a plan that involves retreat when the conflict has been resolved. People tend to view this as losing the war, if they are in the invading country, when in reality, there are no winners or losers in wars only losers. Conflict resolution seeks to make everyone stronger, not weaker, in this respect.


I am going out on a limb and assume that your are fairly young.
Have you seen anything that suggests military 'conflict resolution' has made anyone stronger ever? If you think about it all war is a form of armed conflict resolution.


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03 Mar 2014, 4:48 pm

salamandaqwerty wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently

Of course, sadly, someone is going to die in any conflict, regardless of how small unless it's just a fist fight that is broken up quickly.
Old fashioned war mentality is to just keep sending in men until goals are reached, enemy is subdued, enforcing a draft if need be, with exceptionally heavy casualties on every front.
Conflict resolution has casualties but efforts are made to keep them minimal and destruction, if necessary, will occur. Diplomacy, management, and other non combat methods are favored instead of the send them all in and let them die approach.
Conflict resolution has a plan that involves retreat when the conflict has been resolved. People tend to view this as losing the war, if they are in the invading country, when in reality, there are no winners or losers in wars only losers. Conflict resolution seeks to make everyone stronger, not weaker, in this respect.


I am going out on a limb and assume that your are fairly young.
Have you seen anything that suggests military 'conflict resolution' has made anyone stronger ever? If you think about it all war is a form of armed conflict resolution.

Ideally it does. We haven't had an opportunity to see if it will because change does not occur overnight. The goal is to create a stronger, safer nation while not compromising so many lives.
Conflict resolution is the only alternative imo only no one can say definitively because knowledge is power.



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03 Mar 2014, 4:52 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently

Of course, sadly, someone is going to die in any conflict, regardless of how small unless it's just a fist fight that is broken up quickly.
Old fashioned war mentality is to just keep sending in men until goals are reached, enemy is subdued, enforcing a draft if need be, with exceptionally heavy casualties on every front.
Conflict resolution has casualties but efforts are made to keep them minimal and destruction, if necessary, will occur. Diplomacy, management, and other non combat methods are favored instead of the send them all in and let them die approach.
Conflict resolution has a plan that involves retreat when the conflict has been resolved. People tend to view this as losing the war, if they are in the invading country, when in reality, there are no winners or losers in wars only losers. Conflict resolution seeks to make everyone stronger, not weaker, in this respect.


I am going out on a limb and assume that your are fairly young.
Have you seen anything that suggests military 'conflict resolution' has made anyone stronger ever? If you think about it all war is a form of armed conflict resolution.

Ideally it does. We haven't had an opportunity to see if it will because change does not occur overnight. The goal is to create a stronger, safer nation while not compromising so many lives.
Conflict resolution is the only alternative imo only no one can say definitively because knowledge is power.


"A stronger, safer nation"? Only one? I thought you said conflict resolution is meant to make "everyone" stronger. One nation is not everyone. Which nation benefits from conflict resolution and which ones don't?



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03 Mar 2014, 5:04 pm

^^
Well said seaturtleisland


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03 Mar 2014, 5:19 pm

salamandaqwerty wrote:
What do you define as real war?


Cities bombed flat. Thousands killed or injured, even non-combatants.

Economy wrecked. Infrastructure mangled.

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03 Mar 2014, 5:23 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's been replaced with conflict resolution. True or false?


Thats some real nice conflict resolution theyre doing in Syria right now. Theyve resolutioned over 100 thousand people to death so far. And peacefully demolished most of the country. Even used poison gas.


WTF are you talking about?



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03 Mar 2014, 8:22 pm

seaturtleisland wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
salamandaqwerty wrote:
A rose by any other name
people die!! ! conflict resolution does have a better PR sound than war
North Korea was a Police action apparently

Of course, sadly, someone is going to die in any conflict, regardless of how small unless it's just a fist fight that is broken up quickly.
Old fashioned war mentality is to just keep sending in men until goals are reached, enemy is subdued, enforcing a draft if need be, with exceptionally heavy casualties on every front.
Conflict resolution has casualties but efforts are made to keep them minimal and destruction, if necessary, will occur. Diplomacy, management, and other non combat methods are favored instead of the send them all in and let them die approach.
Conflict resolution has a plan that involves retreat when the conflict has been resolved. People tend to view this as losing the war, if they are in the invading country, when in reality, there are no winners or losers in wars only losers. Conflict resolution seeks to make everyone stronger, not weaker, in this respect.


I am going out on a limb and assume that your are fairly young.
Have you seen anything that suggests military 'conflict resolution' has made anyone stronger ever? If you think about it all war is a form of armed conflict resolution.

Ideally it does. We haven't had an opportunity to see if it will because change does not occur overnight. The goal is to create a stronger, safer nation while not compromising so many lives.
Conflict resolution is the only alternative imo only no one can say definitively because knowledge is power.


"A stronger, safer nation"? Only one? I thought you said conflict resolution is meant to make "everyone" stronger. One nation is not everyone. Which nation benefits from conflict resolution and which ones don't?

How many nations do you deem unsafe at the moment, besides the ones experiencing the conflict?

Let's take the latest crisis in Ukraine. Russia is attempting to act fast to contain it instead of just letting everything take it's course and reacting after everything becomes a huge mess. Do you think this is wise or impudent and rash?